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> Is fine for a product that’s basically “done”, but who’s paying you to work on those? Most companies that are actually profitable. There's a massive amount o

> Is fine for a product that’s basically “done”, but who’s paying you to work on those? Most companies that are actually profitable. There's a massive amount of space in between "done" and startup level expansion. There are good, mature projects which need some improvements and TLC, without expanding their scope every day. And because they're already large and most of the simple issues have been addressed, you start getting the interesting problems that take many more times as long to investigate and understand as they take to fix.

yashap 3y ago
Eh, a lot of the biggest, most successful/profitable tech companies are still rapidly developing new products, features, etc. For example, Google, Amazon and Apple are all still innovating pretty fast. Lots of others have basically stopped shipping new products, new features, performance improvements, UX improvements, etc. But I think that’s frequently an undesirable state the company has gotten into, they’d love to be productive but have lost the ability.
- viraptor 3y ago
  > For example, Google, Amazon and Apple are all still innovating pretty fast. I'd dispute that in general. And definitely if you mean amount of innovation per employee. They try random new things that either lives in its little corner, or gets killed in a couple of years. They sure have lots of churn and likely lots of lines of code flying around, but innovation...? There's two projects from Apple from the last decade that I'd call innovation. Amazon marketplace is static and AWS just gains new features that are mostly expected / business as usual. Google kills as much as it creates all the time. I really don't think those are great examples of moving fast.
- civilized 3y ago
  The idea that constantly making new stuff is what makes you great is a developer-centric ideology. With products from a mature company like Google, customers mostly just want the existing stuff to work.

yashap 3y ago

Eh, a lot of the biggest, most successful/profitable tech companies are still rapidly developing new products, features, etc. For example, Google, Amazon and Apple are all still innovating pretty fast. Lots of others have basically stopped shipping new products, new features, performance improvements, UX improvements, etc. But I think that’s frequently an undesirable state the company has gotten into, they’d love to be productive but have lost the ability.

viraptor 3y ago
> For example, Google, Amazon and Apple are all still innovating pretty fast. I'd dispute that in general. And definitely if you mean amount of innovation per employee. They try random new things that either lives in its little corner, or gets killed in a couple of years. They sure have lots of churn and likely lots of lines of code flying around, but innovation...? There's two projects from Apple from the last decade that I'd call innovation. Amazon marketplace is static and AWS just gains new features that are mostly expected / business as usual. Google kills as much as it creates all the time. I really don't think those are great examples of moving fast.
civilized 3y ago
The idea that constantly making new stuff is what makes you great is a developer-centric ideology. With products from a mature company like Google, customers mostly just want the existing stuff to work.