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> It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? What does the average tip-receiving worker who isn't a bartender/waiter/waitress

> It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? What does the average tip-receiving worker who isn't a bartender/waiter/waitress look like wage wise? Probably $14/hr base salary, get a split $20 worth of tips a night Say you work 6 hours a night. $104 -> $84 is like getting a 20% paycut. Reworded: > It can sound controversial, but can we cut all barista pay/takeout food baggers pay/etc. 20% with no replacement

denysvitali 3y ago
Do we tip cashiers? Nope Should their salary be paid with the revenue the shop is making? Yes Why should that be different in bars and restaurants?
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  cashier optimizes for speed and efficiency, if it takes more than a couple of minutes to check out the it took too long. waiter, it varies, but if they spend as much time on the table as a cashier, that is usually seen as poor service. there are also plenty of businesses with cashiers with tip jars, or tip screens. have been for years. some places, and this gets a bit wild, some places don’t even have tip jars. you just put the extra money in their hand. the employee may ask if you meant it, or may just understand that you did. some assume, but they tend to lose tips over time. whether tips should exist and whether tips exist are two separate things. loosely coupled at present. not to say tipping is good, but neither is your argument against it.
  - denysvitali 3y ago
    Sorry - my european centric view might have skewed my argument a bit. I have never seen a tipping jar in a shop in Europe
    - catchnear4321 3y ago
      no need to apologize, your comment simply made it sound like it was commonplace to see tipping in some contexts. and there are people that believe that tipping does make sense in some contexts. sometimes the silhouette lines up just right to look the same forwards and backwards. if only more peoples’ views were skewed by a lack of tip jars and a presence of living wages. if you are seeing tipping more than you have historically, that’s problematic for plenty of reasons.
crdrost 3y ago
Just to be clear, someone in that situation does not get a 20% pay cut unless their employer is breaking the law. What actually happens is that the $20 in tips per night is deducted from the minimum wage that your employer has to pay you. So the difference is in the immediacy of the funds, not the quantity—there is eventual replacement for everybody working minimum wage or lower, as the amount that employers are legally able to screw the person out of reduces. Of course, immediacy is a poverty problem, the families in this situation are living paycheck to paycheck and cannot easily handle a couple paychecks that are 20% lighter. The same people who complain about tips are usually not people who want to expand social services and safety nets to allow that to change, so it's all a little bit of a complicated kerfuffle...
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  i’m not talking about waiters/waitresses i’m talking about smoothie bars, fast food restaurants, etc.

denysvitali 3y ago

Do we tip cashiers? Nope Should their salary be paid with the revenue the shop is making? Yes Why should that be different in bars and restaurants?

catchnear4321 3y ago
cashier optimizes for speed and efficiency, if it takes more than a couple of minutes to check out the it took too long. waiter, it varies, but if they spend as much time on the table as a cashier, that is usually seen as poor service. there are also plenty of businesses with cashiers with tip jars, or tip screens. have been for years. some places, and this gets a bit wild, some places don’t even have tip jars. you just put the extra money in their hand. the employee may ask if you meant it, or may just understand that you did. some assume, but they tend to lose tips over time. whether tips should exist and whether tips exist are two separate things. loosely coupled at present. not to say tipping is good, but neither is your argument against it.
- denysvitali 3y ago
  Sorry - my european centric view might have skewed my argument a bit. I have never seen a tipping jar in a shop in Europe
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    no need to apologize, your comment simply made it sound like it was commonplace to see tipping in some contexts. and there are people that believe that tipping does make sense in some contexts. sometimes the silhouette lines up just right to look the same forwards and backwards. if only more peoples’ views were skewed by a lack of tip jars and a presence of living wages. if you are seeing tipping more than you have historically, that’s problematic for plenty of reasons.

crdrost 3y ago

Just to be clear, someone in that situation does not get a 20% pay cut unless their employer is breaking the law. What actually happens is that the $20 in tips per night is deducted from the minimum wage that your employer has to pay you. So the difference is in the immediacy of the funds, not the quantity—there is eventual replacement for everybody working minimum wage or lower, as the amount that employers are legally able to screw the person out of reduces. Of course, immediacy is a poverty problem, the families in this situation are living paycheck to paycheck and cannot easily handle a couple paychecks that are 20% lighter. The same people who complain about tips are usually not people who want to expand social services and safety nets to allow that to change, so it's all a little bit of a complicated kerfuffle...

MuffinFlavored 3y ago
i’m not talking about waiters/waitresses i’m talking about smoothie bars, fast food restaurants, etc.