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Please punch a hole on your “once again, a lack of parenting being solved by something other than better parenting” card.

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3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
I don't know how you understand "parenting" but it's not supposed to involve 24/7 second by second monitoring of a teenager's life. It's complicated. I don't blame Omegle, but sometimes there's no one to blame, except the perpetrators. Now, thanks to AI, we could recreate Omegle and make it safer, like detect children using it, and detect abusers. Of course this may trigger an arm's race of filters. But I think we have avenues to try.
- runnr_az 3y ago
  Maybe... but is all the effort worth the reward for the risk?
- foogazi 3y ago
  AI is no substitute for HI in this case
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- ipaddr 3y ago
  Parenting a teen is re-forcing values taught earlier in life. Expecting society to share parenting responsibilities doesn't work. It could be safer but it's up to you to decide your family's risk/reward ratio. Safer getting a dick video online then in person and a teachable moment. These dicks are out there in the world. This could belong to your teacher, friend's dad, brother.. if you ever see this again call 911 and rin.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    A child spends more hours of day in school, and under the influence of media (legacy, social and all kinds) and society in general, than with their parents. Unless probably those parents are unemployed and homeschooling the child. Which is its own type of trauma. Any reductionist stance that "only" parents matter and society doesn't, or "only" this or "only" that betrays a lack of basic common sense. A child is a product of its environment, and the child and its parents exist in a society (so says Jared Leto). A child is like a radio antenna, it picks up information and influences from everywhere and reproduces them. A child that hits puberty also wants to do exactly the opposite of what you teach them, and be rebellious with the worst specimens in their class. Opening a chat site is probably the most innocent thing they can do, and if that innocent act can trivially lead to dire consequences, yes, society has a problem to solve. The problem isn't Omegle in particular, but rather how unstructured the Internet is. Anything goes, you can therefore not shape and mold a child's environment to be nurturing and educational. If they have Internet you basically drop the entire world on their shoulders at once. Any filters and controls are at best leaky.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      > A child spends more hours of day in school, and under the influence of media (legacy, social and all kinds) and society in general, than with their parents. Unless probably those parents are unemployed and homeschooling the child. Which is its own type of trauma. Okay, but I'd still call the parent the most important pillar in a child's life. Not the only one, but they have the most influence on a child. Every child is different, but most children will take a parents' action and words to heart and use those to form a world view. which can end with an accaptance or rejection of the parents'. >The problem isn't Omegle in particular, but rather how unstructured the Internet is. Anything goes, you can therefore not shape and mold a child's environment to be nurturing and educational sure you can. plenty of filters and blocks. The key to elevate this from controlling your kid to parenting is to then explain why those blocks exist. We shouldn't be coy to tell kids that there is danger, that they should know how their body and feelings work, and that there is content they are not ready to view. They may still find workarounds anyway, but hard locks under "because I said so" or "I'll tell you when you're older" caused me to rebel way more than "because there are bad people out there" (as an oversimplified explanation). And that's the crux that no one seems interested in solving. Why are we so afraid to educate our kids on this stuff?
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  Some incredibly solid advice up until the very end where you think AI is new and also suggest that it can detect very hard to detect things.
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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- theartfuldodger 3y ago
  I think we can expect parents to watch their 11yo when it comes to broadcasting themselves on video This is an absentee parent problem using the internet as a nanny. Just because it is ubiquitous does not mean it is the correct way.
jterrys 3y ago
World's got to get just a little bit shittier, sadly.
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DoreenMichele 3y ago
Parents could generally do a better job helping their children learn about consent and having their boundaries respected from birth as a means to help protect them. This is something most people seem to think is not important and many people simply don't do. It's common for adults to simply make a lot of decisions for kids in a way that is "convenient" for the adult and they seem to not notice this has significant psychological consequences which impact sexual situations and cause other issues. But I wouldn't pin this strictly on parenting. I think society has broader issues than just parenting which foster issues of this sort.
otabdeveloper4 3y ago
What is this "better parenting" and where can I buy it? Is there an app for it? But in all seriousness, "parenting" is not a quantifiable resource. "Just be a better parent bro" isn't valid advice.
- miohtama 3y ago
  You can borrow books on good parenting at your local library and/or family planning clinic

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3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago

I don't know how you understand "parenting" but it's not supposed to involve 24/7 second by second monitoring of a teenager's life. It's complicated. I don't blame Omegle, but sometimes there's no one to blame, except the perpetrators. Now, thanks to AI, we could recreate Omegle and make it safer, like detect children using it, and detect abusers. Of course this may trigger an arm's race of filters. But I think we have avenues to try.

runnr_az 3y ago
Maybe... but is all the effort worth the reward for the risk?
foogazi 3y ago
AI is no substitute for HI in this case
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ipaddr 3y ago
Parenting a teen is re-forcing values taught earlier in life. Expecting society to share parenting responsibilities doesn't work. It could be safer but it's up to you to decide your family's risk/reward ratio. Safer getting a dick video online then in person and a teachable moment. These dicks are out there in the world. This could belong to your teacher, friend's dad, brother.. if you ever see this again call 911 and rin.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  A child spends more hours of day in school, and under the influence of media (legacy, social and all kinds) and society in general, than with their parents. Unless probably those parents are unemployed and homeschooling the child. Which is its own type of trauma. Any reductionist stance that "only" parents matter and society doesn't, or "only" this or "only" that betrays a lack of basic common sense. A child is a product of its environment, and the child and its parents exist in a society (so says Jared Leto). A child is like a radio antenna, it picks up information and influences from everywhere and reproduces them. A child that hits puberty also wants to do exactly the opposite of what you teach them, and be rebellious with the worst specimens in their class. Opening a chat site is probably the most innocent thing they can do, and if that innocent act can trivially lead to dire consequences, yes, society has a problem to solve. The problem isn't Omegle in particular, but rather how unstructured the Internet is. Anything goes, you can therefore not shape and mold a child's environment to be nurturing and educational. If they have Internet you basically drop the entire world on their shoulders at once. Any filters and controls are at best leaky.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    > A child spends more hours of day in school, and under the influence of media (legacy, social and all kinds) and society in general, than with their parents. Unless probably those parents are unemployed and homeschooling the child. Which is its own type of trauma. Okay, but I'd still call the parent the most important pillar in a child's life. Not the only one, but they have the most influence on a child. Every child is different, but most children will take a parents' action and words to heart and use those to form a world view. which can end with an accaptance or rejection of the parents'. >The problem isn't Omegle in particular, but rather how unstructured the Internet is. Anything goes, you can therefore not shape and mold a child's environment to be nurturing and educational sure you can. plenty of filters and blocks. The key to elevate this from controlling your kid to parenting is to then explain why those blocks exist. We shouldn't be coy to tell kids that there is danger, that they should know how their body and feelings work, and that there is content they are not ready to view. They may still find workarounds anyway, but hard locks under "because I said so" or "I'll tell you when you're older" caused me to rebel way more than "because there are bad people out there" (as an oversimplified explanation). And that's the crux that no one seems interested in solving. Why are we so afraid to educate our kids on this stuff?
krainboltgreene 3y ago
Some incredibly solid advice up until the very end where you think AI is new and also suggest that it can detect very hard to detect things.
onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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theartfuldodger 3y ago
I think we can expect parents to watch their 11yo when it comes to broadcasting themselves on video This is an absentee parent problem using the internet as a nanny. Just because it is ubiquitous does not mean it is the correct way.

jterrys 3y ago

World's got to get just a little bit shittier, sadly.

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DoreenMichele 3y ago

Parents could generally do a better job helping their children learn about consent and having their boundaries respected from birth as a means to help protect them. This is something most people seem to think is not important and many people simply don't do. It's common for adults to simply make a lot of decisions for kids in a way that is "convenient" for the adult and they seem to not notice this has significant psychological consequences which impact sexual situations and cause other issues. But I wouldn't pin this strictly on parenting. I think society has broader issues than just parenting which foster issues of this sort.

otabdeveloper4 3y ago

What is this "better parenting" and where can I buy it? Is there an app for it? But in all seriousness, "parenting" is not a quantifiable resource. "Just be a better parent bro" isn't valid advice.

miohtama 3y ago
You can borrow books on good parenting at your local library and/or family planning clinic