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Annoyingly, the term "dark ages" is so vague and bandied about that it's hard to rule this statement as true or false. The term originally refers to the idea t
by jcranmer 3y ago
Annoyingly, the term "dark ages" is so vague and bandied about that it's hard to rule this statement as true or false.
The term originally refers to the idea that it's an age of ignorance by Renaissance scholars essentially having a massive Classical Antiquity appreciation binge. This gets amplified by Protestants as an attack on Catholicism. Some more modern people get even more zealously anti-religious and view it as something pushing back the industrial revolution and other things back by 1500 years or so. This especially gets intertwined with things like unilinear cultural evolution models [1], where the Middle Ages end up getting classified as going backwards in culture. Most of these beliefs are basically complete and total hogwash in terms of actual evidence.
Archaeology can trace a rough outline of the economic history of Europe. We see a peak of economic activity in the first and second centuries AD, a decline in third century, which stabilizes somewhat in the fourth and fifth century, before plunging. It hits its nadir in the eighth century, and then starts recovering, surpassing its pre-collapse highs sometime between 1000-1300, depending on which metric you're looking at. If you want to refer to the time from ~500-1000 as a "Dark Ages" on the basis of poor document preservation and general economic collapse, that's actually a reasonable, grounded definition.
But if you're trying to use the term to indicate a loss of knowledge somehow, well, it just doesn't work. Even during the absolute worst depths of the post-Roman collapse, you would still be speaking Roman, learning from Roman textbooks (if you're fortunate enough to be learning), practicing Roman religion, obeying Roman laws. And there's a decent chance you might be doing that despite your village never having once been part of the Roman Empire.
[1] Or, more simply, Civilization-style tech trees.
- davoneus 3y agoThe idea that knowledge didn't disappear during the "dark ages" is blatantly wrong. Entire swaths of knowledge disappeared simply because the Christian monks only preserved matter favorable to Christianity. If the Roman (pagan) material dared to suggest something different than accepted church teaching, it wasn't copied or preserved. Hell, that's why the capture of libraries in Spain in the 15th century was still important to the renaissance. Muslim scholars preserved a bunch of Greek and Roman material that had COMPLETELY disappeared during the European dark ages.
- FranzFerdiNaN 3y ago> If the Roman (pagan) material dared to suggest something different than accepted church teaching, it wasn't copied or preserved. this really isnt true.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoAgain, what you are posting is the old stereotype that is being complained about here. Any survey of education in the Eastern Roman Empire will talk about how pagan literature at variance with Christian teaching, was not only copied, it remained the very foundation of the literary canon used for teaching. Christian educators simply found it too useful to censor out of existence. The loss of so much literature in the Western Roman Empire has to be understood in the context of the overall collapse in literacy there, which was due to late-antiquity political factors and not religious ones, and then resource starvation in scriptoria.
- strken 3y agoPerhaps we can call it the Really Really Great Five Century Long Depression.
- notjoemama 3y agoTo what degree did this event contribute to “the dark ages”? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536