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> normal, non-sexual photos of trans people are "nsfw" now FWIW, the algorithms that big tech companies use are often trained to recognize women’s underwear. S

> normal, non-sexual photos of trans people are "nsfw" now FWIW, the algorithms that big tech companies use are often trained to recognize women’s underwear. So non-sexual photos of trans men wearing women’s underwear are often flagged, even when similar photos of women wearing boxers are not. I’m not saying it’s right, just giving the actual reason this happens. (Albeit I don’t have Tumblr-specific knowledge.)

citruscomputing 3y ago
Cool. Now why does it consistently happen for images where no underwear is visible, and why doesn't it happen for cis women? Why are appeals not granted? And why didn't staff even acknowledge there's a problem?
- Alex3917 3y ago
  No idea. I’ve never worked at any of these companies, I just learned this in an academic conference presentation on ethnographic research into OnlyFans users. OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system, so users need to find their customers on instagram, Twitter, tumblr, etc.
  - sn41 3y ago
    Hi, just to sate my own curiosity: can you please provide me a link to this presentation, if it's available online? Thanks...
    - Alex3917 3y ago
      Not online, sorry!
  - travisjungroth 3y ago
    > OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system This is by far the most mind-blowing thing about OnlyFans to me. I’m a very open minded person and I would have been so sure that a site like OnlyFans would absolutely require discovery. Like, so sure that if I was making it, I wouldn’t even question including it. The fact they just offloaded this to every other site, and then took all the monetization is amazing to me. Twitter, Reddit and Instagram can barely get money from these users, but they’re super popular, and they just link to their OnlyFans on their profile. I seriously wonder what other opportunities like that are out in the wild.
    - gen220 3y ago
      They also centralize all the risk. Operating a “pay me $X/month” service is really complicated legally, ethically, etc. In a way, OF is valuable to platforms like Twitter and Instagram, because it has monopolized a lot of the riskiest cash flow that those companies would prefer to avoid / explicitly disallow in their ToS for a “subscribe to this influencer” service. If OF had their own discovery platform, they’d have to deal with the thorny editorial problem of ranking. In the current setup, they can totally sidestep it. It would probably cost them more to operate discovery than it’s worth.
userinanother 3y ago
How sensitive/stupid are these? Can the behavior be exploited to force innocent images get flagged as explicit? Asking for a friend… also would make an excellent shirt design if properly tweaked
- 93po 3y ago
  Yes, there are some examples I’ve seen in the past year of images specifically generated to make image detection think it’s X when it’s really just a mess of shapes and pixels
joshxyz 3y ago
thats fucking hilarious. it surprises me how instagram and twitter can get away with it but tumblr cant
- chimeracoder 3y ago
  > it surprises me how instagram and twitter can get away with it but tumblr cant It's a huge problem on Instagram too. Twitter is different because it doesn't prohibit sexual content in the first place, unlike Facebook and Tumblr.

citruscomputing 3y ago

Cool. Now why does it consistently happen for images where no underwear is visible, and why doesn't it happen for cis women? Why are appeals not granted? And why didn't staff even acknowledge there's a problem?

Alex3917 3y ago
No idea. I’ve never worked at any of these companies, I just learned this in an academic conference presentation on ethnographic research into OnlyFans users. OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system, so users need to find their customers on instagram, Twitter, tumblr, etc.
- sn41 3y ago
  Hi, just to sate my own curiosity: can you please provide me a link to this presentation, if it's available online? Thanks...
  - Alex3917 3y ago
    Not online, sorry!
- travisjungroth 3y ago
  > OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system This is by far the most mind-blowing thing about OnlyFans to me. I’m a very open minded person and I would have been so sure that a site like OnlyFans would absolutely require discovery. Like, so sure that if I was making it, I wouldn’t even question including it. The fact they just offloaded this to every other site, and then took all the monetization is amazing to me. Twitter, Reddit and Instagram can barely get money from these users, but they’re super popular, and they just link to their OnlyFans on their profile. I seriously wonder what other opportunities like that are out in the wild.
  - gen220 3y ago
    They also centralize all the risk. Operating a “pay me $X/month” service is really complicated legally, ethically, etc. In a way, OF is valuable to platforms like Twitter and Instagram, because it has monopolized a lot of the riskiest cash flow that those companies would prefer to avoid / explicitly disallow in their ToS for a “subscribe to this influencer” service. If OF had their own discovery platform, they’d have to deal with the thorny editorial problem of ranking. In the current setup, they can totally sidestep it. It would probably cost them more to operate discovery than it’s worth.

userinanother 3y ago

How sensitive/stupid are these? Can the behavior be exploited to force innocent images get flagged as explicit? Asking for a friend… also would make an excellent shirt design if properly tweaked

93po 3y ago
Yes, there are some examples I’ve seen in the past year of images specifically generated to make image detection think it’s X when it’s really just a mess of shapes and pixels

joshxyz 3y ago

thats fucking hilarious. it surprises me how instagram and twitter can get away with it but tumblr cant

chimeracoder 3y ago
> it surprises me how instagram and twitter can get away with it but tumblr cant It's a huge problem on Instagram too. Twitter is different because it doesn't prohibit sexual content in the first place, unlike Facebook and Tumblr.