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Doesn't that same argument apply to cookie consent popups? Privacy shouldn't only be afforded to the more technical users.
by mksybr 3y ago
Doesn't that same argument apply to cookie consent popups?
Privacy shouldn't only be afforded to the more technical users.
- wepple 3y agoI’d be interested to see the data that shows cookie notifications have had a useful impact.
- amatecha 3y agoI'd wager they've had a "useful" impact, in that they've done a lot to coerce/manipulate users into allowing tracking cookies. :\
- orangecat 3y agoDoesn't that same argument apply to cookie consent popups? Yes! I would have much preferred the EU to make PSAs explaining how to disable cookies in browsers rather than inflicting popups on billions of users.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoCompanies are being purposefully obtuse with popups as a form of malicious compliance (and in some cases looking suspiciously like political statement) - and you're blaming the EU for it?
- orangecat 3y agoyou're blaming the EU for it? Yes. If you create regulations with the assumption that they will be followed exactly how you want them to be rather than considering how entities who don't share your goals will react, you are doing a bad job.
- elondaits 3y agoCookie consent popups are not mandated by the GDPR (the EU privacy law), they’re just a stupid (and often infringing) reaction to it. The GDPR disallows tracking without consent, but more in the spirit of “don’t track” than “get consent”. It also specifies that conditions should be clear, and that not granting consent (or withdrawing it) should be as simple as granting it. It even specifies that sites that request private information from kids should be clearer, because they need to understand what they’re accepting even if their guardians will provide the consent.
- orangecat 3y agoCookie consent popups are not mandated by the GDPR (the EU privacy law), they’re just a stupid (and often infringing) reaction to it. They're an entirely rational and predictable reaction to it. If you're trying to regulate bad actors, it should be utterly unsurprising when they game the easily gameable rules. The GDPR disallows tracking without consent, but more in the spirit of “don’t track” than “get consent”. Then it should actually ban tracking, without the loophole of "you can track as long as you get the user to click a button, also you can't offer them anything in exchange for doing so". That's just asking for all the dark patterns we've gotten.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago> They're an entirely rational and predictable reaction to it. The problem isn't that. The problem is that people are being convinced that malicious compliance is somehow the EU's fault. This is clearly the bad actors being bad; the thing that's being gamed isn't GDPR, but publicity around it. As in, the EU should probably invest some money in naming and shaming actors complying in bad faith (if at all).
- bartimus 3y agoIt does and that's what makes the nonsense of cookie consent laws. How are you going to keep track of the user's preference of "no" to cookie tracking? It's the browser saving the data, not the website.