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By the time most people can be convinced that this is the case, it will be too late... it might be some sort of intellectual victory to realize you should have

By the time most people can be convinced that this is the case, it will be too late... it might be some sort of intellectual victory to realize you should have had children when you're 50, but biology has already made everything final. There exists this strange phenomenon, where seemingly intelligent people insist that, somehow, in the future, little girls will grow up again all wanting to become mommies and have 2.1 (or more!) children, then those little girls will have, by definition, grown up in a world where all the adults around them including but not limited to their parents have no children or have only one child. Why would such a little girl buck that trend? And it's not just one little girl who needs to do this, on average they all have to have 2.1, or else a smaller fraction has to have an even higher number. A civilization/society that can't be bothered to replace itself by raising children has already demonstrated its unworthiness. Maybe it should die.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
There are 8 billion people in the work, on track to 9-10 billion by end of century. Around 6 million children under 15 die per year. That’s around 16,000 deaths every day, or 11 every minute. [1] The International Labour Organisation states in its latest World Report on Child Labour (2013) that there are around 265 million working children in the world—almost 17 per cent of the worldwide child population. [2] An estimated 333 million children live in extreme poverty. [3] I could go on, but a wall of text comment provides little marginal value. High level, the world should take care of the people already here before whining and hand wringing over a reduction in total aggregate population and a declining population trajectory. > A civilization/society that can't be bothered to replace itself by raising children has already demonstrated its unworthiness. Maybe it should die. We're unworthy because of how we treat humans here today, arguably. Treat existing humans better before complaining more aren't being produced. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality [2] https://ourworldindata.org/child-labor https://ourworldindata.org/child-labor [3] https://www.unicef.org/social-policy/child-poverty https://www.unicef.org/social-policy/child-poverty
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > High level, the world should take care of the people already here There is no "world". There are 200-some nation-states. Each sovereign, laws unto themselves. I agree that each of these should take care of their own. In my nation-state, 11 children per minute aren't dying. I have no say in how other nation-states do it, and no advice they would listen to. I'll stay out of their business. Will their lots improve, do you think, when modern civilization starts to collapse, because the only people who know how to run the pharmaceutical plants are geriatric? When they lose their minds due to senility, when they die? You're worried about the wrong things, letting your feelings guide you instead of your reason. We won't reach 10 billion. It's doubtful we'll reach 9. There will come a day when Japanese, Korean, and Italian are dead languages. Shit's real. > We're unworthy because of how we treat humans here today, arguably. I'm worthy. My wife's worthy. My children are worthy. Don't speak for me. I'm not a part of your "we". I don't feel guilt for actions not my own, for things that happened before I was born, for circumstances outside of my control. I don't know why you could feel guilt like that. Is it some sort of posturing? A young man might do it if he thought young woman were attracted to that. Are you young? Are women your age attracted to it? If they are, do any of them seem like good prospects for marriage?

toomuchtodo 3y ago

There are 8 billion people in the work, on track to 9-10 billion by end of century. Around 6 million children under 15 die per year. That’s around 16,000 deaths every day, or 11 every minute. [1] The International Labour Organisation states in its latest World Report on Child Labour (2013) that there are around 265 million working children in the world—almost 17 per cent of the worldwide child population. [2] An estimated 333 million children live in extreme poverty. [3] I could go on, but a wall of text comment provides little marginal value. High level, the world should take care of the people already here before whining and hand wringing over a reduction in total aggregate population and a declining population trajectory. > A civilization/society that can't be bothered to replace itself by raising children has already demonstrated its unworthiness. Maybe it should die. We're unworthy because of how we treat humans here today, arguably. Treat existing humans better before complaining more aren't being produced. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality [2] https://ourworldindata.org/child-labor https://ourworldindata.org/child-labor [3] https://www.unicef.org/social-policy/child-poverty https://www.unicef.org/social-policy/child-poverty

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> High level, the world should take care of the people already here There is no "world". There are 200-some nation-states. Each sovereign, laws unto themselves. I agree that each of these should take care of their own. In my nation-state, 11 children per minute aren't dying. I have no say in how other nation-states do it, and no advice they would listen to. I'll stay out of their business. Will their lots improve, do you think, when modern civilization starts to collapse, because the only people who know how to run the pharmaceutical plants are geriatric? When they lose their minds due to senility, when they die? You're worried about the wrong things, letting your feelings guide you instead of your reason. We won't reach 10 billion. It's doubtful we'll reach 9. There will come a day when Japanese, Korean, and Italian are dead languages. Shit's real. > We're unworthy because of how we treat humans here today, arguably. I'm worthy. My wife's worthy. My children are worthy. Don't speak for me. I'm not a part of your "we". I don't feel guilt for actions not my own, for things that happened before I was born, for circumstances outside of my control. I don't know why you could feel guilt like that. Is it some sort of posturing? A young man might do it if he thought young woman were attracted to that. Are you young? Are women your age attracted to it? If they are, do any of them seem like good prospects for marriage?