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> Should every website ask for your consent to serve you javascript now? Ideally, yes.
by mksybr 3y ago
> Should every website ask for your consent to serve you javascript now?
Ideally, yes.
- gyc 3y agoPlease don't give the EU any more ideas.
- LtWorf 3y agoI could do without js.
- Retr0id 3y agoAs the "cookie consent" debacle showed us, websites won't stop using JS, they'll just bombard you with consent dialogs until you click the button that makes them go away fastest, which is likely the one that involves consenting to run their JS.
- mksybr 3y agoI don't think I've ever seen a cookie consent behave that way, they just make it 1-3 extra clicks to refuse non-essential cookies; which is in violation.
- mrguyorama 3y agoA reminder that the "cookie consent debacle" is intentional. There is no requirement for a popup or any system to ask for your consent to store cookies if you simply do not store unnecessary cookies, and the carve out for "necessary" cookies is huge. Every time you see a popup to approve cookies, it is explicitly so a company can beg you to allow them to track you for free money.
- Retr0id 3y agoRight, this about what websites will do in response to legislation, not what the legislation actually intends for them to do.
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- LtWorf 3y agoI'm entirely ok if the punishment for violating the law (most popups violate the law) is to shut down the entire website for 6 months.
- CamperBob2 3y agoThen turn it off.
- Xeamek 3y agoWhy not? GDPR isn't flawless, but im sure happy it exists
- heavyset_go 3y agoPlease, give them more ideas. They're the only regulatory bloc that's willing to protect users from corporate overreach and oligopoly.
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- fomine3 3y agoTheir core thoughts seems to good, final result isn't.
- freedomben 3y agouMatrix implements that. Highly recommend.
- doublerabbit 3y agoWhile highly recommended. Outside of the tech crowd, uMatrix is a maze to organise and most folk don't care that they are planted with tracking cookies.
- mksybr 3y agoFor those users, there is uBlock Origin. Actually, I think it's the recommended suggestion by their developer for all users, isn't uMatrix no longer supported with uBlock Origin including many of it's features?
- tremon 3y agoI'm still using uMatrix. I don't really understand why uMatrix was abandoned, its UI is miles ahead what uBlock Origin offers.
- mksybr 3y agoI haven't used uMatrix in years, but isn't the UI in uBlock Origin > More similar, do you know what's missing? https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium...
- tremon 3y agoEverything is missing? That left panel as shown in the screenshot is display-only, you can't click on it to allow/disallow anything (also: it's below the rest of the interface in my version, not to the left, which requires a lot further mouse travel). ...oh, I see, I have to first go into the settings to declare myself an able-minded human. That's quite the UX failure, hiding functionality behind an unrelated toggle at an entirely different place. Having finally found the correct mystical incantation, I can answer your question. At first glance, that UI is incredibly confusing. Why are there two columns to the right of every domain? What's the difference between making the left column red and the right grey, versus making the right column red and the left grey? What is the significance of the +'s and -'s in the various cells? That help page doesn't explain any of it. What's really missing: uMatrix lets me see how many resources of what type were loaded from what domain. That's very helpful when finding out what needs to be unblocked: if a site doesn't work, I progessively whitelist third-party resources until basic functionality is restored. I then remove everything from the writelist that's unused. It doesn't seem like that information is available. Also: with UBO it doesn't seem possible to enable javascript for just one third-party host, or enable everything except javascript? If I whitelist a host in the UI, it automatically enables static resources (img, css), dynamic resources (js), cross-site data (xhr) and frames. I'm not going to write manual rules every time I want to allow everything except javascript. This is just from a cursory examination, so maybe the functionality is there, it's just unfamiliarity with the new interface. But from what I'm seeing, neither the UI itself nor the help page make a compelling reason to make the switch.
- pessimizer 3y agoUnwanted javascript is a job for the browser to refuse. Which is why the people who ship browsers try to make refusing as difficult or confusing as possible. ----- Turns out that youtube also has: 1) the dominant browser; 2) the same interests as, multiple partnerships with, and very little actual competition with the company that runs the next biggest browser in a walled garden, and 3) been completely funding the development of the browser that continually press releases as if youtube's aims are pure evil and that they are the only opposition.
- andrewxdiamond 3y agoPointless, you are already in complete control of this. Just disable JS, enable it when you want. If a website doesn’t support your usecase, that’s on you, there is no ADA requirement for JS-free websites
- mksybr 3y agoDoesn't that same argument apply to cookie consent popups? Privacy shouldn't only be afforded to the more technical users.
- wepple 3y agoI’d be interested to see the data that shows cookie notifications have had a useful impact.
- amatecha 3y agoI'd wager they've had a "useful" impact, in that they've done a lot to coerce/manipulate users into allowing tracking cookies. :\
- orangecat 3y agoDoesn't that same argument apply to cookie consent popups? Yes! I would have much preferred the EU to make PSAs explaining how to disable cookies in browsers rather than inflicting popups on billions of users.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoCompanies are being purposefully obtuse with popups as a form of malicious compliance (and in some cases looking suspiciously like political statement) - and you're blaming the EU for it?
- orangecat 3y agoyou're blaming the EU for it? Yes. If you create regulations with the assumption that they will be followed exactly how you want them to be rather than considering how entities who don't share your goals will react, you are doing a bad job.
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