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No it wasn’t. Instead of deleting the porn they could have just hid it from iOS users. Twitter, Threads, Instagram, Chrome, and countless other App Store apps

by n8cpdx 3y ago

No it wasn’t. Instead of deleting the porn they could have just hid it from iOS users. Twitter, Threads, Instagram, Chrome, and countless other App Store apps are perfectly comfortable serving up racey content.

sneak 3y ago
Those are too big to fail. Nobody would buy an iPhone that doesn’t have Instagram. 500px is another example of a site full of nudity that has to arbitrarily censor for iOS, all because Apple is protecting their 10x-market-rate credit card processing business (30% instead of 3%) by preventing sideloading. It’s bullshit that Apple decides for me what I am allowed to view. How convenient that it also protects their revenue stream.
- n8cpdx 3y ago
  I think you might be forgetting that Tumblr had a completely fine status quo, including showing me very much adult content on my iPhone, until Verizon bought them. Blaming the App Store was always an excuse. Tumblr just didn’t want to put the effort in to keep CSAM off their site. https://www.pcmag.com/news/tumblr-to-ban-pornography-starting-on-dec-17 https://www.pcmag.com/news/tumblr-to-ban-pornography-startin... Some would say it is disappointing that Apple draws the line at child sexual abuse, but I guess that is a matter of opinion.
  - evanelias 3y ago
    What you've said above is completely incorrect, and as a former Tumblr employee I find it deeply offensive. Why confidently state these things when you seriously have no idea whatsoever what actually happened here? GP's statements were much closer to the situation in reality.
    - n8cpdx 3y ago
      > Last month, Tumblr said its iOS app was pulled from the Apple Store over child pornography found on the platform. According to a Twitter user who claimed to have found the illegal content, Tumblr had initially failed to take down the images, despite repeated complaints about the problem. (As of Monday, the Tumblr app is still unavailable on Apple's App Store.) I think you can also look at the various discussions of this issue online. The user perception was that it was inordinately difficult to report abusive content. The second comment on this thread reports that even the moderation that was taken was ineffective. https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/a2r4h4/whats_the_deal_with_tumblr_banning_all_nsfw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/a2r4h4/whats_... I also recall an instance finding problematic content and now knowing how to report it. I think it didn’t occur to me think “I think this person might be underage, better hit the share button”. TikTok for example makes it incredibly easy to report offensive, unsafe, or illegal content. Whether or not Tumblr management _intended_ to have very poor controls against CSAM doesn’t change the fact that they did in practice. And when push came to shove, instead of protecting user expression on their platform, they banned a whole category of content rather than building the tools and policies needed to make it work. Worst case, they could have, instead of deleting all adult content, removed the toggle for iOS users and made them go to the browser for filtered content. Even if you hate Apple for censoring their platform, it was Tumblr’s choice to apply that policy to Android and web users. This response and earlier comments also fail to address the fact that the iOS app had a toggle to block NSFW content. It was allowed in 2017, and it was allowed in 2022. So I’m not sure why they had to purge non-CSAM content and remove the toggle in 2018. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/11/tumblr-sensitive-content-toggle-ios-app-store/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/11/tumblr-sensitive-content-t... Is there insider info that challenges any of that?
      - evanelias 3y ago
        You're making a ton of incorrect assumptions about what approaches Tumblr tried, what solutions Apple rejected as insufficient, what resourcing decisions were made by Tumblr vs parent company, and so many other critical details here. It's pretty messed up for you to say "Tumblr just didn’t want to put the effort" when you have no idea who or what was actually responsible for any of the things you're describing. I don't feel you are addressing this topic in good faith, so I'm not going to continue discussing this with you.

by n8cpdx 3y ago

sneak 3y ago

Those are too big to fail. Nobody would buy an iPhone that doesn’t have Instagram. 500px is another example of a site full of nudity that has to arbitrarily censor for iOS, all because Apple is protecting their 10x-market-rate credit card processing business (30% instead of 3%) by preventing sideloading. It’s bullshit that Apple decides for me what I am allowed to view. How convenient that it also protects their revenue stream.

n8cpdx 3y ago
I think you might be forgetting that Tumblr had a completely fine status quo, including showing me very much adult content on my iPhone, until Verizon bought them. Blaming the App Store was always an excuse. Tumblr just didn’t want to put the effort in to keep CSAM off their site. https://www.pcmag.com/news/tumblr-to-ban-pornography-starting-on-dec-17 https://www.pcmag.com/news/tumblr-to-ban-pornography-startin... Some would say it is disappointing that Apple draws the line at child sexual abuse, but I guess that is a matter of opinion.
- evanelias 3y ago
  What you've said above is completely incorrect, and as a former Tumblr employee I find it deeply offensive. Why confidently state these things when you seriously have no idea whatsoever what actually happened here? GP's statements were much closer to the situation in reality.
  - n8cpdx 3y ago
    > Last month, Tumblr said its iOS app was pulled from the Apple Store over child pornography found on the platform. According to a Twitter user who claimed to have found the illegal content, Tumblr had initially failed to take down the images, despite repeated complaints about the problem. (As of Monday, the Tumblr app is still unavailable on Apple's App Store.) I think you can also look at the various discussions of this issue online. The user perception was that it was inordinately difficult to report abusive content. The second comment on this thread reports that even the moderation that was taken was ineffective. https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/a2r4h4/whats_the_deal_with_tumblr_banning_all_nsfw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/a2r4h4/whats_... I also recall an instance finding problematic content and now knowing how to report it. I think it didn’t occur to me think “I think this person might be underage, better hit the share button”. TikTok for example makes it incredibly easy to report offensive, unsafe, or illegal content. Whether or not Tumblr management _intended_ to have very poor controls against CSAM doesn’t change the fact that they did in practice. And when push came to shove, instead of protecting user expression on their platform, they banned a whole category of content rather than building the tools and policies needed to make it work. Worst case, they could have, instead of deleting all adult content, removed the toggle for iOS users and made them go to the browser for filtered content. Even if you hate Apple for censoring their platform, it was Tumblr’s choice to apply that policy to Android and web users. This response and earlier comments also fail to address the fact that the iOS app had a toggle to block NSFW content. It was allowed in 2017, and it was allowed in 2022. So I’m not sure why they had to purge non-CSAM content and remove the toggle in 2018. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/11/tumblr-sensitive-content-toggle-ios-app-store/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/11/tumblr-sensitive-content-t... Is there insider info that challenges any of that?
    - evanelias 3y ago
      You're making a ton of incorrect assumptions about what approaches Tumblr tried, what solutions Apple rejected as insufficient, what resourcing decisions were made by Tumblr vs parent company, and so many other critical details here. It's pretty messed up for you to say "Tumblr just didn’t want to put the effort" when you have no idea who or what was actually responsible for any of the things you're describing. I don't feel you are addressing this topic in good faith, so I'm not going to continue discussing this with you.