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Just leaving this here: https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383 https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cau

Just leaving this here: https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383 https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-...

pengaru 3y ago
+831 comments
- kylebenzle 3y ago
  There are a lot of scum bags in the word so it's easy for them to find companionship and bond over this kind of stuff. For me it was a huge unexpected outcome of the internet.
Manuel_D 3y ago
Another classic: https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-asks-idiot-1665233387 https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-as...
- kergonath 3y ago
  Title: “'Is the UVA Rape Story a Gigantic Hoax?' Asks Idiot”, published December 1. First link below: “Rolling Stone Partially Retracts UVA Story Over 'Discrepancies'”, published December 5. That’s quite a feat.
  - weeblewobble 3y ago
    For whatever it’s worth, the “first link below” story contains this quote from the author of the first story “ This is really, really bad. It means, of course, that when I dismissed Richard Bradley and Robby Soave's doubts about the story and called them "idiots" for picking apart Jackie's account, I was dead fucking wrong, and for that I sincerely apologize.”
    - kergonath 3y ago
      Indeed. Without as much as a hint of questioning why they felt completely normal to write the previous article with such stupid headline and content. If it were a company, we’d say it was a non-apology apology and that it shows they don’t want to admit the problem.
    - tqi 3y ago
      I think it's telling that the author's remorse was for being mean to a fellow opinion writer, as opposed to fomenting a culture of guilty until proven innocent
  - rmilejczz 3y ago
    Each of those links is a published correction and retraction of previous statements as new information came to light so they seem like principled journalists, with their tongues planted firmly in their cheeks.
kergonath 3y ago
Today’s demonstration that it’s not because you’re part of a population on the wrong end of some phenomena that you cannot be an arsehole.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  No one is beyond reproach because they are a member of some group.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
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- shadowgovt 3y ago
  +790 comments ... and unlike here, they had to do journalism (in this case, polling their readers) to generate the content with the comments on it. We just get to kibbitz on someone else's reporting. It's what this site's for. Hm... Now that I think about it... This is a link aggregator that doesn't run ads. It loads faster than the news sites it links out to, and comments happen over here instead of over there. Is HN part of the problem? Do sites like this pull the online advertising revenue out of journalism that journalism needs to survive?
- graphe 3y ago
  Feel free to post the great insight you got from jezebel. I'll be awaiting your non answer.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    If you can't find any decent articles in the jezebel archives I feel for you son that's a level of hater I could only aspire to be. I'm not endorsing their whole deal over a fifteen year run but they published more than a handful of good articles in that time.
    - graphe 3y ago
      I'm asking you to post these great articles that definitely exist (according to you). Its not my job to wade through clickbait looking for good articles someone told me definitely exist to prove I'm not a 'hater'. Until you produce any your statement is as valuable as jezebels valuation.
      - giraffe_lady 3y ago
        Here's a few I've liked. https://jezebel.com/rush-after-a-rape-on-campus-a-uva-alum-goes-back-to-ru-1682251600 https://jezebel.com/rush-after-a-rape-on-campus-a-uva-alum-g... https://jezebel.com/bearing-witness-to-the-rise-of-isis-the-story-of-anna-1761119850 https://jezebel.com/bearing-witness-to-the-rise-of-isis-the-... https://jezebel.com/a-journey-into-the-righteous-risk-averse-world-of-fait-1825210009 https://jezebel.com/a-journey-into-the-righteous-risk-averse... Should be a solid afternoon's reading I'll check back tomorrow maybe.
shadowgovt 3y ago
I appreciate Jezebel sharing that this generally-undiscussed form of domestic violence exists and confirming it with their readers. It's certainly not something I would have considered had they not raised the issue.
jstarfish 3y ago
> let's just say that it'd be wise to never ever fuck with us. Words one can only live by. "Damsels in distress" are the stuff of fairy tales. I get the impression we condition girls to think they're helpless so they don't rise against us. Women are formidable opponents. > According to a study of relationships that engage in nonreciprocal violence, a whopping 70% are perpetrated by women. ...and because men haven't been fighting back, the definition of "violence" has drifted. You stop yourself from throwing that punch and instead yell at her. No threats or assault, no raised fist-- just "what the fuck, cut it out you goddamn bitch." Yelling anything is now "verbal aggression," making you intimidating. And just because you're a big strong man who could inflict bodily harm, you're automatically physically threatening. You Monster. The verbiage is very specific-- any woman (except Chyna) can call any man "intimidating and physically threatening" and have it be a true statement. The article is from 2007. Despite having sat through most of a major in criminal justice (four years of being told all of the FBI's statistics are wrong), a decade before that I had my eyes opened by a police instructor trying to instill in us just how dangerous domestic disputes were to respond to so we knew what to expect. He had broken protocol by responding alone to a call from a neighbor about a disturbance between a couple. He was allowed inside the house, separated the parties and interviewed them. The man had defensive wounds, but the woman denied hitting him and the man did not implicate her. She also had defensive wounds, which the man acknowledged he had inflicted. Both parties were obviously throwing punches at each other, but with only his admission of guilt, only he would be going to jail. As the instructor was reading the man his rights, the woman realized what was about to happen, came up behind the officer and clocked him over the head with a rolling pin to try to stop the Police from taking Her Man away. The signs that she was a violent woman were all there, but we're conditioned to think women aren't violent, so they went overlooked. Women are disproportionately victims of murder. The amount of battery and emotional abuse they inflict up to that point is grossly underreported. In the instructor's example (and in my own experience) men will very often cover for or conceal the offenses of women, which gives women a reputation of "purity" that is undeserved.
sohex 3y ago
Absolutely horrifying. > Another editor slapped a guy when "he told me he thought he had breast cancer." (Okay, that one made us laugh really hard.) It's hard to fathom what kind of person hears that and laughs in response.
- orblivion 3y ago
  I think I have ideas. I could imagine either somebody who's young and edgy and hasn't really made the connection to take reality seriously. I could imagine somebody who has built up enough animosity (due to involvement in the movement or personal bad experiences) to blow past and actively defy calls for civility; you see this play out in radical political discourse. Or, I suppose, a psychopath (which could also be formed by bad experiences).
  - daymanstep 3y ago
    Psychopathy is mostly genetic and has little to do with “bad experiences”. It can be diagnosed in kids as early as a few weeks of age. These kids will always lack empathy but most are able to avoid being detected as psychopaths by becoming good at pretending to be normal people.
    - orblivion 3y ago
      Seems like it's a matter of research still.
- kergonath 3y ago
  Someone who does not believe men can have breast cancer, I assume.
- trashface 3y ago
  Its also ignorant. Man can in fact get breast cancer.
orblivion 3y ago
While I have my issues with modern feminism, I've seen rather little of what I'd actually call misandry and a lot of what I'd classify as resentment and anger, which is easier to at least sympathize with. But this article is pretty shocking to see, though it's from 2007. Perhaps this was a trend that came, the community got pushback, and they eventually thought better of it?
KennyBlanken 3y ago
And this: https://imgur.com/a/7OGEZmN https://imgur.com/a/7OGEZmN Jezebel screeched about Jennifer Lawrence nude photos getting distributed while their parent site gleefully refused to take down Hulk Hogan's sex tape (because something something journalistic integrity? looool.) And then there's the time Jezebel linked to a youtube video of a woman being raped, and then when the video wasn't taken down, they posted screenshots: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/10/this-week-in-horrible-journalism-jezebels-rape-photos/?sh=5653f84c2597 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/10/this-wee... And then paying for photos of Lena Dunham: https://jezebel.com/were-offering-10-000-for-unretouched-images-of-lena-d-1502000514 https://jezebel.com/were-offering-10-000-for-unretouched-ima... And then there was this: https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-asks-idiot-1665233387 https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-as... And then there's the coverage of revenge porn involving Seth Rollins by Deadspin: https://deadspin.com/lets-all-look-at-seth-rollinss-dong-nsfw-1684849435 https://deadspin.com/lets-all-look-at-seth-rollinss-dong-nsf... The list goes on and on of hypocritical bullshit, but there was also, I believe, an article insulting men for "dad bods". Ie, not being sculpted gods because between being the sole source of income for their family and being present at home for their wife and kids, they don't have the time or emotional/physical energy to work out, etc. Hopefully the racebaiting shithole that is The Root follows.
RichardCA 3y ago
Never thought I'd have a reason to post this on HN. Don't skip the comment section. https://youtu.be/U_gLDF2dGLY https://youtu.be/U_gLDF2dGLY

Just leaving this here: https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383 https://jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-...

pengaru 3y ago

+831 comments

kylebenzle 3y ago
There are a lot of scum bags in the word so it's easy for them to find companionship and bond over this kind of stuff. For me it was a huge unexpected outcome of the internet.

Manuel_D 3y ago

Another classic: https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-asks-idiot-1665233387 https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-as...

kergonath 3y ago
Title: “'Is the UVA Rape Story a Gigantic Hoax?' Asks Idiot”, published December 1. First link below: “Rolling Stone Partially Retracts UVA Story Over 'Discrepancies'”, published December 5. That’s quite a feat.
- weeblewobble 3y ago
  For whatever it’s worth, the “first link below” story contains this quote from the author of the first story “ This is really, really bad. It means, of course, that when I dismissed Richard Bradley and Robby Soave's doubts about the story and called them "idiots" for picking apart Jackie's account, I was dead fucking wrong, and for that I sincerely apologize.”
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Indeed. Without as much as a hint of questioning why they felt completely normal to write the previous article with such stupid headline and content. If it were a company, we’d say it was a non-apology apology and that it shows they don’t want to admit the problem.
  - tqi 3y ago
    I think it's telling that the author's remorse was for being mean to a fellow opinion writer, as opposed to fomenting a culture of guilty until proven innocent
- rmilejczz 3y ago
  Each of those links is a published correction and retraction of previous statements as new information came to light so they seem like principled journalists, with their tongues planted firmly in their cheeks.

kergonath 3y ago

Today’s demonstration that it’s not because you’re part of a population on the wrong end of some phenomena that you cannot be an arsehole.

Gibbon1 3y ago
No one is beyond reproach because they are a member of some group.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

[flagged]

shadowgovt 3y ago
+790 comments ... and unlike here, they had to do journalism (in this case, polling their readers) to generate the content with the comments on it. We just get to kibbitz on someone else's reporting. It's what this site's for. Hm... Now that I think about it... This is a link aggregator that doesn't run ads. It loads faster than the news sites it links out to, and comments happen over here instead of over there. Is HN part of the problem? Do sites like this pull the online advertising revenue out of journalism that journalism needs to survive?
graphe 3y ago
Feel free to post the great insight you got from jezebel. I'll be awaiting your non answer.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  If you can't find any decent articles in the jezebel archives I feel for you son that's a level of hater I could only aspire to be. I'm not endorsing their whole deal over a fifteen year run but they published more than a handful of good articles in that time.
  - graphe 3y ago
    I'm asking you to post these great articles that definitely exist (according to you). Its not my job to wade through clickbait looking for good articles someone told me definitely exist to prove I'm not a 'hater'. Until you produce any your statement is as valuable as jezebels valuation.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Here's a few I've liked. https://jezebel.com/rush-after-a-rape-on-campus-a-uva-alum-goes-back-to-ru-1682251600 https://jezebel.com/rush-after-a-rape-on-campus-a-uva-alum-g... https://jezebel.com/bearing-witness-to-the-rise-of-isis-the-story-of-anna-1761119850 https://jezebel.com/bearing-witness-to-the-rise-of-isis-the-... https://jezebel.com/a-journey-into-the-righteous-risk-averse-world-of-fait-1825210009 https://jezebel.com/a-journey-into-the-righteous-risk-averse... Should be a solid afternoon's reading I'll check back tomorrow maybe.

shadowgovt 3y ago

I appreciate Jezebel sharing that this generally-undiscussed form of domestic violence exists and confirming it with their readers. It's certainly not something I would have considered had they not raised the issue.

jstarfish 3y ago

> let's just say that it'd be wise to never ever fuck with us. Words one can only live by. "Damsels in distress" are the stuff of fairy tales. I get the impression we condition girls to think they're helpless so they don't rise against us. Women are formidable opponents. > According to a study of relationships that engage in nonreciprocal violence, a whopping 70% are perpetrated by women. ...and because men haven't been fighting back, the definition of "violence" has drifted. You stop yourself from throwing that punch and instead yell at her. No threats or assault, no raised fist-- just "what the fuck, cut it out you goddamn bitch." Yelling anything is now "verbal aggression," making you intimidating. And just because you're a big strong man who could inflict bodily harm, you're automatically physically threatening. You Monster. The verbiage is very specific-- any woman (except Chyna) can call any man "intimidating and physically threatening" and have it be a true statement. The article is from 2007. Despite having sat through most of a major in criminal justice (four years of being told all of the FBI's statistics are wrong), a decade before that I had my eyes opened by a police instructor trying to instill in us just how dangerous domestic disputes were to respond to so we knew what to expect. He had broken protocol by responding alone to a call from a neighbor about a disturbance between a couple. He was allowed inside the house, separated the parties and interviewed them. The man had defensive wounds, but the woman denied hitting him and the man did not implicate her. She also had defensive wounds, which the man acknowledged he had inflicted. Both parties were obviously throwing punches at each other, but with only his admission of guilt, only he would be going to jail. As the instructor was reading the man his rights, the woman realized what was about to happen, came up behind the officer and clocked him over the head with a rolling pin to try to stop the Police from taking Her Man away. The signs that she was a violent woman were all there, but we're conditioned to think women aren't violent, so they went overlooked. Women are disproportionately victims of murder. The amount of battery and emotional abuse they inflict up to that point is grossly underreported. In the instructor's example (and in my own experience) men will very often cover for or conceal the offenses of women, which gives women a reputation of "purity" that is undeserved.

sohex 3y ago

Absolutely horrifying. > Another editor slapped a guy when "he told me he thought he had breast cancer." (Okay, that one made us laugh really hard.) It's hard to fathom what kind of person hears that and laughs in response.

orblivion 3y ago
I think I have ideas. I could imagine either somebody who's young and edgy and hasn't really made the connection to take reality seriously. I could imagine somebody who has built up enough animosity (due to involvement in the movement or personal bad experiences) to blow past and actively defy calls for civility; you see this play out in radical political discourse. Or, I suppose, a psychopath (which could also be formed by bad experiences).
- daymanstep 3y ago
  Psychopathy is mostly genetic and has little to do with “bad experiences”. It can be diagnosed in kids as early as a few weeks of age. These kids will always lack empathy but most are able to avoid being detected as psychopaths by becoming good at pretending to be normal people.
  - orblivion 3y ago
    Seems like it's a matter of research still.
kergonath 3y ago
Someone who does not believe men can have breast cancer, I assume.
trashface 3y ago
Its also ignorant. Man can in fact get breast cancer.

orblivion 3y ago

While I have my issues with modern feminism, I've seen rather little of what I'd actually call misandry and a lot of what I'd classify as resentment and anger, which is easier to at least sympathize with. But this article is pretty shocking to see, though it's from 2007. Perhaps this was a trend that came, the community got pushback, and they eventually thought better of it?

KennyBlanken 3y ago

And this: https://imgur.com/a/7OGEZmN https://imgur.com/a/7OGEZmN Jezebel screeched about Jennifer Lawrence nude photos getting distributed while their parent site gleefully refused to take down Hulk Hogan's sex tape (because something something journalistic integrity? looool.) And then there's the time Jezebel linked to a youtube video of a woman being raped, and then when the video wasn't taken down, they posted screenshots: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/10/this-week-in-horrible-journalism-jezebels-rape-photos/?sh=5653f84c2597 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/10/this-wee... And then paying for photos of Lena Dunham: https://jezebel.com/were-offering-10-000-for-unretouched-images-of-lena-d-1502000514 https://jezebel.com/were-offering-10-000-for-unretouched-ima... And then there was this: https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-asks-idiot-1665233387 https://jezebel.com/is-the-uva-rape-story-a-gigantic-hoax-as... And then there's the coverage of revenge porn involving Seth Rollins by Deadspin: https://deadspin.com/lets-all-look-at-seth-rollinss-dong-nsfw-1684849435 https://deadspin.com/lets-all-look-at-seth-rollinss-dong-nsf... The list goes on and on of hypocritical bullshit, but there was also, I believe, an article insulting men for "dad bods". Ie, not being sculpted gods because between being the sole source of income for their family and being present at home for their wife and kids, they don't have the time or emotional/physical energy to work out, etc. Hopefully the racebaiting shithole that is The Root follows.

RichardCA 3y ago

Never thought I'd have a reason to post this on HN. Don't skip the comment section. https://youtu.be/U_gLDF2dGLY https://youtu.be/U_gLDF2dGLY