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> It was a sexist website offering bad advice for impressionable, young women. Maybe. However I feel obliged to point out that there are countless media outlet

> It was a sexist website offering bad advice for impressionable, young women. Maybe. However I feel obliged to point out that there are countless media outlets that fit this description for men, but when they get shut down a common reaction is that free speech is under attack and cancel culture has gone too far.

chikenf00t 3y ago
Out of curiosity, what media outlets are you referring to?
- bashinator 3y ago
  Not a corporation, but I've certainly seen that reaction to any number of subreddits getting shut down.
  - Manuel_D 3y ago
    Right, but that's not analogous to a media company going out of business. Nobody deplatformed Jezebel. Credit card companies, web hosting services, nobody refused to do business with Jezebel. There just weren't enough consumers of their content to make it profitable. That's not the same situation as an otherwise successful outlet being deplatformed or cut off from commercial services.
  - hightrix 3y ago
    A subreddit being shutdown is not even barely related to a company going out of business. The reactions should be very different.
ameister14 3y ago
When they are shut down by their host because they disagree with the content or are being pressured by twitter, I can imagine that. When they go out of business? I haven't ever seen people complain about free speech under attack at that point. Could you provide an example from these countless outlets? [edit]When Playboy shut down in 2020, for example, I didn't see people upset about it being an attack on free speech; it was a dated business model that didn't work anymore.
- bombcar 3y ago
  I suspect a large number of people are learning that Playboy shut down in 2020 from reading your post.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I'm one of them. I had no idea.
- simbolit 3y ago
  They didn't shut down, they moved to online-only. A lot of publications have done that. Source: https://www.playboy.com/ https://www.playboy.com/ is there, alive and well.
  - ameister14 3y ago
    I don't think that's actually a magazine. It looks like there are no articles at all, it's just a run of the mill porn website.
    - simbolit 3y ago
      There are articles, quite a lot actually, they just aren't prominently featured. https://www.playboy.com/read/cunnilingus-101-what-you-need-to-know https://www.playboy.com/read/cunnilingus-101-what-you-need-t... https://www.playboy.com/read/legend-of-leveretia https://www.playboy.com/read/legend-of-leveretia However, I can't find any articles written in 2023. So, perhaps the magazine part is gone after all.
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graphe 3y ago
Which site? Can you name any? Subreddits are not dedicated websites.
busterarm 3y ago
The difference is that those media outlets for men are usually independent small businesses run by a handful of people and not giant corporate media entities backed by large corporate advertisers. There isn't a single male-oriented media outlet on television and largely because men aren't giving television their attention. Edit: I'm talking about news/quasi-news media like the sites mentioned, so don't come back to me with "duh, sports"
SeenNotHeard 3y ago
> I feel obliged to point out that there are countless media outlets that fit this description for men, but when they get shut down a common reaction is that free speech is under attack and cancel culture has gone too far. Can you name one example? I'm talking about a male-oriented, so-called "journalism" site cut because it's unprofitable, leading to outrage and pearl-clutching about free speech and cancel culture.
- racketcon2089 3y ago
  On Jezebel's comment section you would have been banned for asking this impertinent question. Obviously they're unprepared to respond with anything resembling evidence for their claims and will repeat it elsewhere rather than engage. The OP's comment is really for themselves to feel an emotional charge of victimhood, it's a monologue not a dialogue.

chikenf00t 3y ago

Out of curiosity, what media outlets are you referring to?

bashinator 3y ago
Not a corporation, but I've certainly seen that reaction to any number of subreddits getting shut down.
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  Right, but that's not analogous to a media company going out of business. Nobody deplatformed Jezebel. Credit card companies, web hosting services, nobody refused to do business with Jezebel. There just weren't enough consumers of their content to make it profitable. That's not the same situation as an otherwise successful outlet being deplatformed or cut off from commercial services.
- hightrix 3y ago
  A subreddit being shutdown is not even barely related to a company going out of business. The reactions should be very different.

ameister14 3y ago

When they are shut down by their host because they disagree with the content or are being pressured by twitter, I can imagine that. When they go out of business? I haven't ever seen people complain about free speech under attack at that point. Could you provide an example from these countless outlets? [edit]When Playboy shut down in 2020, for example, I didn't see people upset about it being an attack on free speech; it was a dated business model that didn't work anymore.

bombcar 3y ago
I suspect a large number of people are learning that Playboy shut down in 2020 from reading your post.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I'm one of them. I had no idea.
simbolit 3y ago
They didn't shut down, they moved to online-only. A lot of publications have done that. Source: https://www.playboy.com/ https://www.playboy.com/ is there, alive and well.
- ameister14 3y ago
  I don't think that's actually a magazine. It looks like there are no articles at all, it's just a run of the mill porn website.
  - simbolit 3y ago
    There are articles, quite a lot actually, they just aren't prominently featured. https://www.playboy.com/read/cunnilingus-101-what-you-need-to-know https://www.playboy.com/read/cunnilingus-101-what-you-need-t... https://www.playboy.com/read/legend-of-leveretia https://www.playboy.com/read/legend-of-leveretia However, I can't find any articles written in 2023. So, perhaps the magazine part is gone after all.

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graphe 3y ago

Which site? Can you name any? Subreddits are not dedicated websites.

busterarm 3y ago

The difference is that those media outlets for men are usually independent small businesses run by a handful of people and not giant corporate media entities backed by large corporate advertisers. There isn't a single male-oriented media outlet on television and largely because men aren't giving television their attention. Edit: I'm talking about news/quasi-news media like the sites mentioned, so don't come back to me with "duh, sports"

SeenNotHeard 3y ago

> I feel obliged to point out that there are countless media outlets that fit this description for men, but when they get shut down a common reaction is that free speech is under attack and cancel culture has gone too far. Can you name one example? I'm talking about a male-oriented, so-called "journalism" site cut because it's unprofitable, leading to outrage and pearl-clutching about free speech and cancel culture.

racketcon2089 3y ago
On Jezebel's comment section you would have been banned for asking this impertinent question. Obviously they're unprepared to respond with anything resembling evidence for their claims and will repeat it elsewhere rather than engage. The OP's comment is really for themselves to feel an emotional charge of victimhood, it's a monologue not a dialogue.