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Nobody could ever launch a Melee refresh because even the community today can't agree on what the best version is. 1.01? NTSC? PAL? PAL Yoshi and Fox with other

by scythe 3y ago

Nobody could ever launch a Melee refresh because even the community today can't agree on what the best version is. 1.01? NTSC? PAL? PAL Yoshi and Fox with other characters NTSC? UCF? Neutral starts? Scientists should take note of our achievements in how finely one can split a hair.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
It's actually been explicitly stated from former Nintendo employees that Melee will almost certainly never get a re-release; because: A. Nintendo doesn't care about the primary audience for Melee. They view the Melee players as being, in many ways, harmful to the brand; which considering the dozens of pedophile and sexual assault allegations, they might have a point. Before anyone says the above is an exaggeration or unfair: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_of_sexual_and_nonsexual_allegations/?rdt=60575 https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_o... and https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_sexual_assault_allegations_in_the_super/?rdt=35285 https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_... B. Any change, no matter how slight, would get screams of being "unplayable!" Just one frame of increased or decreased lag because it's different hardware? "Unplayable!" It doesn't work with the actual original 2003 GameCube controller instead of the Switch reproduction? "Unplayable!" It doesn't support the hacks the community has added? "Unplayable!" And on and on... If you literally could never make the community happy because it's not 2003 anymore, what's the point?
- CarVac 3y ago
  > They view the Melee players as being, in many ways, harmful to the brand; which considering the dozens of pedophile and sexual assault allegations, they might have a point. There were far more of those in Ultimate than Melee… The latter argument is why they shouldn't be involved. But they should stay uninvolved.
- whateveracct 3y ago
  Guarantee Melee is just free of Nintendo IP in the next decade. The community understands its mechanics with fine-grained detail. It's not hard to re-implement but would take taste, care, and a love of the game. Make a fresh engine with a modding platform and cater to Melee players [1] and it'll be A-OK. [1] Pretty much no modern game is comparable to Melee. It's a strange thing, but if you like Melee, every 2D platformer and fighting game feels worse than it. It's such a highly interactive and dynamic game.
- dcow 3y ago
  Healthy and vibrant competitive scenes evolve with the franchise. For super smash it’s like the opposite of that.
- KingLancelot 3y ago
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- scythe 3y ago
  You linked A: a thread of allegations against players of any Smash version, the vast majority of which involve Ultimate or SSB4 players and B: a thread about Nintendo's interview with ZeRo, the former Ultimate #1, who was finally exiled from the community after allegations against him were substantiated by (among others) Leffen, a Melee player, who later received death threats from ZeRo's fanbase. This cannot explain Nintendo's preference for Ultimate vis-a-vis Melee in the slightest.

by scythe 3y ago

gjsman-1000 3y ago

It's actually been explicitly stated from former Nintendo employees that Melee will almost certainly never get a re-release; because: A. Nintendo doesn't care about the primary audience for Melee. They view the Melee players as being, in many ways, harmful to the brand; which considering the dozens of pedophile and sexual assault allegations, they might have a point. Before anyone says the above is an exaggeration or unfair: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_of_sexual_and_nonsexual_allegations/?rdt=60575 https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_o... and https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_sexual_assault_allegations_in_the_super/?rdt=35285 https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_... B. Any change, no matter how slight, would get screams of being "unplayable!" Just one frame of increased or decreased lag because it's different hardware? "Unplayable!" It doesn't work with the actual original 2003 GameCube controller instead of the Switch reproduction? "Unplayable!" It doesn't support the hacks the community has added? "Unplayable!" And on and on... If you literally could never make the community happy because it's not 2003 anymore, what's the point?

CarVac 3y ago
> They view the Melee players as being, in many ways, harmful to the brand; which considering the dozens of pedophile and sexual assault allegations, they might have a point. There were far more of those in Ultimate than Melee… The latter argument is why they shouldn't be involved. But they should stay uninvolved.
whateveracct 3y ago
Guarantee Melee is just free of Nintendo IP in the next decade. The community understands its mechanics with fine-grained detail. It's not hard to re-implement but would take taste, care, and a love of the game. Make a fresh engine with a modding platform and cater to Melee players [1] and it'll be A-OK. [1] Pretty much no modern game is comparable to Melee. It's a strange thing, but if you like Melee, every 2D platformer and fighting game feels worse than it. It's such a highly interactive and dynamic game.
dcow 3y ago
Healthy and vibrant competitive scenes evolve with the franchise. For super smash it’s like the opposite of that.
KingLancelot 3y ago
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scythe 3y ago
You linked A: a thread of allegations against players of any Smash version, the vast majority of which involve Ultimate or SSB4 players and B: a thread about Nintendo's interview with ZeRo, the former Ultimate #1, who was finally exiled from the community after allegations against him were substantiated by (among others) Leffen, a Melee player, who later received death threats from ZeRo's fanbase. This cannot explain Nintendo's preference for Ultimate vis-a-vis Melee in the slightest.