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such a wonderful country and great people, but government of crackpot thieving crooked perverts

by narf2012 15y ago

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ollerac 15y ago
clearly the U.S. centric propaganda has gotten to you. which 1st world government isn't filled with crackpot thieving crooked perverts?
- yaix 15y ago
  Most of them. Power may be corrupting some of those who manage to get to the top, and some of those who get a majority of votes may not be the brightest, but most 1st world gov'ts are pretty honest. Not only because we have free media that is watching every step these people do and will make them resign at the smallest mistake. But, if you think that "they" are that bad, then you can just become one of "them" and do it better. I would recommend your local Pirate Party to start.
  - daliusd 15y ago
    As a person from former Soviet Union country I find downvotes for your comment both sad and funny.
  - mindslight 15y ago
    > most 1st world gov'ts are pretty honest This is true, in the same way that I'd be honest if you were to ask me a simple yes/no question, and I responded with a page-long expression that took a day to evaluate to the actual answer. Which is why ... > you can just become one of "them" and do it better ... is doomed to fail. The problem isn't morals, it's unbounded complexity. People are just the substrate that the bureaucracy runs on. Feeding it ever-more people and resources (exponential technological growth) only compounds the fundamental problem - when something is not understandable, it's completely unaccountable.
    - yaix 15y ago
      Read this and you'll stop being pessimistic :) http://falkvinge.net/2012/04/09/we-are-winning-how-pirate-parties-are-changing-the-world/ http://falkvinge.net/2012/04/09/we-are-winning-how-pirate-pa... It's only 5 years since the Pirate Parties started (first in Sweden), and it looks pretty good (in Germany they have now double diggits in the polls). Another 5 years and Pirates will be part of the gov't of several EU countries, I would guess.
strlen 15y ago
No, their government isn't full of crooks and thieves. It's far worse, the Iranian government sincerely believe that they're actually making their citizens' lives better by what they do. Material riches won't soothe them: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis

such a wonderful country and great people, but government of crackpot thieving crooked perverts

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clearly the U.S. centric propaganda has gotten to you. which 1st world government isn't filled with crackpot thieving crooked perverts?

yaix 15y ago
Most of them. Power may be corrupting some of those who manage to get to the top, and some of those who get a majority of votes may not be the brightest, but most 1st world gov'ts are pretty honest. Not only because we have free media that is watching every step these people do and will make them resign at the smallest mistake. But, if you think that "they" are that bad, then you can just become one of "them" and do it better. I would recommend your local Pirate Party to start.
- daliusd 15y ago
  As a person from former Soviet Union country I find downvotes for your comment both sad and funny.
- mindslight 15y ago
  > most 1st world gov'ts are pretty honest This is true, in the same way that I'd be honest if you were to ask me a simple yes/no question, and I responded with a page-long expression that took a day to evaluate to the actual answer. Which is why ... > you can just become one of "them" and do it better ... is doomed to fail. The problem isn't morals, it's unbounded complexity. People are just the substrate that the bureaucracy runs on. Feeding it ever-more people and resources (exponential technological growth) only compounds the fundamental problem - when something is not understandable, it's completely unaccountable.
  - yaix 15y ago
    Read this and you'll stop being pessimistic :) http://falkvinge.net/2012/04/09/we-are-winning-how-pirate-parties-are-changing-the-world/ http://falkvinge.net/2012/04/09/we-are-winning-how-pirate-pa... It's only 5 years since the Pirate Parties started (first in Sweden), and it looks pretty good (in Germany they have now double diggits in the polls). Another 5 years and Pirates will be part of the gov't of several EU countries, I would guess.

strlen 15y ago

No, their government isn't full of crooks and thieves. It's far worse, the Iranian government sincerely believe that they're actually making their citizens' lives better by what they do. Material riches won't soothe them: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis