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Pro is a feature level. An 8gb MacBook Pro can run stable diffusion. Find me a PC with a total memory footprint of 8gb that can even boot windows?

by quitit 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago
A 512mb Raspberry Pi can run Stable Diffusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSSUJ2bwcgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSSUJ2bwcgU Pro is a hardware distinction. If that wasn't true, there would be the same hardware in normal Macs and "Pro" ones alike.
- quitit 3y ago
  1. The Macbook pro with 8gb won't take 24 hours to render a single image. Unlike the Raspberry Pi. It also runs the standard version of stable diffusion, not the cut down model to suit the raspberry pi. It's relevant to talk about stable diffusion because it's a memory hog. 2. You're inventing categorisations to suit your argument. The MacBook pros all have a common design. That changes the moment you switch to another Apple computer 3. This is a lot of bitching and whining about making an affordable entry point, how dare they! 4. The computer works and runs well. Your expectations are driven from different computing platforms. Why not actually go to an apple store and try one, they're on display.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    My point is that "stable diffusion" is just about the most-arbitrary and least-applicable example you could surface. It runs on so many different types of hardware that bragging about it on Mac is like boasting about having a rich-text word processor. If memory serves, Stable Diffusion didn't even have acceleration on Mac until Apple gave in and pushed GPU acceleration patches to Pytorch. It's going to be a subjective matter regardless of how either of us frame it. I've played this game before, I know how it works. The base-spec Macbook Pro 14 is more insulting than both the 13" it replaced and the 14" base-model it undercut. That is how I feel. > Why not actually go to an apple store and try one, they're on display. Because I spent the first half of this decade porting software to Apple Silicon, and before that I daily-drove Mac for years. Compared to 10 years ago, the amount of respect Apple affords me is nonexistent. If you don't remember the times when we took functionality for granted, I really do pity you.
    - quitit 3y ago
      Stable diffusion is a memory hog - the discussion is about RAM. Figure it out. You pretend to know what you're talking about, but you are yet to put forth an argument in good faith. "You pity me" - fabulous. I recognise that you're on a baseless crusade. You're transparent.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        It's not rhetorical. If you can't reconcile both of our opinions, it's not my fault. I don't know what to tell you. I address your opinions and you frame it as bitching. I express my own opinions and you insist it's bad faith. As I said in the last comment, this is going to end subjectively regardless of how we both feel. Approach this sort of conversation from any other perspective and you'll end up disappointed. If you want to expand on your original comment and "Pro is a feature level" argument, I'd be interested to hear it.
thejohnconway 3y ago
I think Pro is the level where people are seriously thinking about performance above the baseline, and that implies to me that they shouldn't have the baseline amount of RAM. It's probably the most important aspect of performance for the "pro" use cases I can think of.
kcb 3y ago
That sounds pretty out of touch...I have several laptops with 8GB of RAM and Windows 11. It works ok for the same things an 8gb MacBook works ok for.

Pro is a feature level. An 8gb MacBook Pro can run stable diffusion. Find me a PC with a total memory footprint of 8gb that can even boot windows?

by quitit 3y ago

Pro is a feature level. An 8gb MacBook Pro can run stable diffusion. Find me a PC with a total memory footprint of 8gb that can even boot windows?

smoldesu 3y ago

A 512mb Raspberry Pi can run Stable Diffusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSSUJ2bwcgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSSUJ2bwcgU Pro is a hardware distinction. If that wasn't true, there would be the same hardware in normal Macs and "Pro" ones alike.

quitit 3y ago
1. The Macbook pro with 8gb won't take 24 hours to render a single image. Unlike the Raspberry Pi. It also runs the standard version of stable diffusion, not the cut down model to suit the raspberry pi. It's relevant to talk about stable diffusion because it's a memory hog. 2. You're inventing categorisations to suit your argument. The MacBook pros all have a common design. That changes the moment you switch to another Apple computer 3. This is a lot of bitching and whining about making an affordable entry point, how dare they! 4. The computer works and runs well. Your expectations are driven from different computing platforms. Why not actually go to an apple store and try one, they're on display.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  My point is that "stable diffusion" is just about the most-arbitrary and least-applicable example you could surface. It runs on so many different types of hardware that bragging about it on Mac is like boasting about having a rich-text word processor. If memory serves, Stable Diffusion didn't even have acceleration on Mac until Apple gave in and pushed GPU acceleration patches to Pytorch. It's going to be a subjective matter regardless of how either of us frame it. I've played this game before, I know how it works. The base-spec Macbook Pro 14 is more insulting than both the 13" it replaced and the 14" base-model it undercut. That is how I feel. > Why not actually go to an apple store and try one, they're on display. Because I spent the first half of this decade porting software to Apple Silicon, and before that I daily-drove Mac for years. Compared to 10 years ago, the amount of respect Apple affords me is nonexistent. If you don't remember the times when we took functionality for granted, I really do pity you.
  - quitit 3y ago
    Stable diffusion is a memory hog - the discussion is about RAM. Figure it out. You pretend to know what you're talking about, but you are yet to put forth an argument in good faith. "You pity me" - fabulous. I recognise that you're on a baseless crusade. You're transparent.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      It's not rhetorical. If you can't reconcile both of our opinions, it's not my fault. I don't know what to tell you. I address your opinions and you frame it as bitching. I express my own opinions and you insist it's bad faith. As I said in the last comment, this is going to end subjectively regardless of how we both feel. Approach this sort of conversation from any other perspective and you'll end up disappointed. If you want to expand on your original comment and "Pro is a feature level" argument, I'd be interested to hear it.

thejohnconway 3y ago

I think Pro is the level where people are seriously thinking about performance above the baseline, and that implies to me that they shouldn't have the baseline amount of RAM. It's probably the most important aspect of performance for the "pro" use cases I can think of.

kcb 3y ago

That sounds pretty out of touch...I have several laptops with 8GB of RAM and Windows 11. It works ok for the same things an 8gb MacBook works ok for.