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That’s just FUD, regardless of what storage manufacturer we’re talking about.

smoldesu 3y ago
Excessive swapping does wear flash storage. Flash storage has a eventual write limit, and once it breaks there are no paths of recourse for the user. That's common across Windows, Mac and Linux, and isn't FUD whatsoever (especially on a device without serviceable storage).
- nehal3m 3y ago
  Yeah, that’s true. Using flash storage will wear it down. However, probably not during the useful lifetime of the machine: https://www.macworld.com/article/338844/how-worried-should-you-be-about-your-m1-macs-ssd-lifespan.html https://www.macworld.com/article/338844/how-worried-should-y... Personally I’m not worried and if you take decent care of your data you should be fine.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    > if you take decent care of your data you should be fine. This is the real bottom-line, regardless of what OS you use flash storage on. Make sure you have duplicated backups, because hardware failure is real and it can hurt you.
    - nullindividual 3y ago
      This is no different from spinning rust. Which is why the assertion that "swap is going to cause my SSD to fail!" crowd just makes no sense and likely lacks the technical knowledge to make that assessment (see this thread for lack of understanding of what 'virtual memory' means).
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        The original point of my comment was not to assert "disc superiority" or whatever you've interpreted it as. Characterizing hardware failure as "FUD" is wrong and in plain denial of how these systems die. I use SSDs, I have had flash storage fail on me, and considering how embedded and small the majority of Apple SSDs are, I'm not convinced their drives will outlive the useful lifespan of the machine. Draw your own conclusions accordingly.
- nullindividual 3y ago
  Your evaluation of my comment is too focused on the technology. FUD is about what the person _said_. Yes, the point has a grain of truth, but no, your drive isn't going to fail because of "excess writes" by swap -- they're insignificant over the lifetime of the drive. And that is where the FUD comes into play. Making people worry that something is wrong with their device, when in fact there is a high probability that their device will be in a landfill before it is a cause for concern.
  - dns_snek 3y ago
    Are we normalizing throwing computers in a landfill when a $50 part dies, and it's only because the manufacturer was too cheap to upgrade their base model with another $10 in memory? That's not very environmentally friendly.
Obscurity4340 3y ago
Can you respond to the other child comment?

Excessive swapping does wear flash storage. Flash storage has a eventual write limit, and once it breaks there are no paths of recourse for the user. That's common across Windows, Mac and Linux, and isn't FUD whatsoever (especially on a device without serviceable storage).

nehal3m 3y ago
Yeah, that’s true. Using flash storage will wear it down. However, probably not during the useful lifetime of the machine: https://www.macworld.com/article/338844/how-worried-should-you-be-about-your-m1-macs-ssd-lifespan.html https://www.macworld.com/article/338844/how-worried-should-y... Personally I’m not worried and if you take decent care of your data you should be fine.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > if you take decent care of your data you should be fine. This is the real bottom-line, regardless of what OS you use flash storage on. Make sure you have duplicated backups, because hardware failure is real and it can hurt you.
  - nullindividual 3y ago
    This is no different from spinning rust. Which is why the assertion that "swap is going to cause my SSD to fail!" crowd just makes no sense and likely lacks the technical knowledge to make that assessment (see this thread for lack of understanding of what 'virtual memory' means).
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      The original point of my comment was not to assert "disc superiority" or whatever you've interpreted it as. Characterizing hardware failure as "FUD" is wrong and in plain denial of how these systems die. I use SSDs, I have had flash storage fail on me, and considering how embedded and small the majority of Apple SSDs are, I'm not convinced their drives will outlive the useful lifespan of the machine. Draw your own conclusions accordingly.
nullindividual 3y ago
Your evaluation of my comment is too focused on the technology. FUD is about what the person _said_. Yes, the point has a grain of truth, but no, your drive isn't going to fail because of "excess writes" by swap -- they're insignificant over the lifetime of the drive. And that is where the FUD comes into play. Making people worry that something is wrong with their device, when in fact there is a high probability that their device will be in a landfill before it is a cause for concern.
- dns_snek 3y ago
  Are we normalizing throwing computers in a landfill when a $50 part dies, and it's only because the manufacturer was too cheap to upgrade their base model with another $10 in memory? That's not very environmentally friendly.

Obscurity4340 3y ago

Can you respond to the other child comment?