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You made me search for 2022-23 studies on HCQ, to see if anything changes. Behold, still fucking useless: https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/hydroxychloroqu

You made me search for 2022-23 studies on HCQ, to see if anything changes. Behold, still fucking useless: https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/hydroxychloroquine-effective-covid-19-3536024/ https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/hydroxychloroquine-eff... (one of many meta studies). Where do you get that disinfo??

zdragnar 3y ago
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.03.23287649v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.03.23287649v... It appears to improve mortality, though not necessarily symptom duration. HCQ-AZ treatment was associated with a significantly lower mortality rate than no HCQ-AZ after adjustment for sex, age, period and patient care setting (adjusted OR (aOR) 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.55, 0.45-0.68). The effect was greater among outpatients (71% death protection rate) than among inpatients (45%).
- userinanother 3y ago
  3rd factor problem. People with parasites are highly likely to die of covid so treat the parasite decrease mortality
  - zdragnar 3y ago
    This was a French study, on French people. So far as I know, France doesn't have a serious human parasite infection problem.
  - notahacker 3y ago
    Different drug (you're referring to Invermectin). Still, I'm not sure there's any reason to trust this latest Didier Raoult paper any more than the meta analysis carried out of numerous papers and studies into AZ/HCQ carried out by institutions that hadn't staked their reputation on it being a cure in March 2020
canadiantim 3y ago
Why do you call it disinformation instead of him just being wrong? This obsession with disinfo, misinfo, malinfo portends exceedingly troubling things for our ability to talk with each other on the internet.
- notahacker 3y ago
  The person he was responding to wasn't simply making a [possibly] incorrect statement about medical treatments, he was insisting that the media generally favouring the emerging consensus of medical professions on treatments was "state lies after state lies" and "all propaganda" I'm not sure it's fair (or even remotely in good faith) to argue that it's people responding to arguments expressed in that manner that are lowering the standard of internet discourse...
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    It's certainly fair and probably said in good faith. This is why people say "two wrongs don't make a right". Just because one person is lowering a bar doesn't mean a second can't lower it further.
    - notahacker 3y ago
      I'd love to hear how a bar for discourse set at "[everything you read on unrelated wedge issue I've inserted into the conversation] is lies and propaganda" is lowered by "this is disinformation. Here's a study"... People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're not singling out the words of only the second party as the reason why people can't talk to each other on the internet.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
        > People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're not singling out the words of only the second party as the reason why people can't talk to each other on the internet. People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're saying that one bad behavior in response to another bad behavior is still a bad behavior. > "this is disinformation. Here's a study"... This is both more reasonable than and different from what was written. > Where do you get that disinfo?? Couldn't that part simply have been left out? More to the point, is a person definitely wrong for thinking that it ought to have been left out? > I'd love to hear how a bar [that is ostensibly resting on the ground] is lowered Dig a hole. It can always get worse.
kelipso 3y ago
Literally searching for HCQ-AZ on duckduckgo gives you the results quick, it's 2nd and 3rd on the list.

zdragnar 3y ago

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.03.23287649v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.03.23287649v... It appears to improve mortality, though not necessarily symptom duration. HCQ-AZ treatment was associated with a significantly lower mortality rate than no HCQ-AZ after adjustment for sex, age, period and patient care setting (adjusted OR (aOR) 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.55, 0.45-0.68). The effect was greater among outpatients (71% death protection rate) than among inpatients (45%).

userinanother 3y ago
3rd factor problem. People with parasites are highly likely to die of covid so treat the parasite decrease mortality
- zdragnar 3y ago
  This was a French study, on French people. So far as I know, France doesn't have a serious human parasite infection problem.
- notahacker 3y ago
  Different drug (you're referring to Invermectin). Still, I'm not sure there's any reason to trust this latest Didier Raoult paper any more than the meta analysis carried out of numerous papers and studies into AZ/HCQ carried out by institutions that hadn't staked their reputation on it being a cure in March 2020

canadiantim 3y ago

Why do you call it disinformation instead of him just being wrong? This obsession with disinfo, misinfo, malinfo portends exceedingly troubling things for our ability to talk with each other on the internet.

notahacker 3y ago
The person he was responding to wasn't simply making a [possibly] incorrect statement about medical treatments, he was insisting that the media generally favouring the emerging consensus of medical professions on treatments was "state lies after state lies" and "all propaganda" I'm not sure it's fair (or even remotely in good faith) to argue that it's people responding to arguments expressed in that manner that are lowering the standard of internet discourse...
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  It's certainly fair and probably said in good faith. This is why people say "two wrongs don't make a right". Just because one person is lowering a bar doesn't mean a second can't lower it further.
  - notahacker 3y ago
    I'd love to hear how a bar for discourse set at "[everything you read on unrelated wedge issue I've inserted into the conversation] is lies and propaganda" is lowered by "this is disinformation. Here's a study"... People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're not singling out the words of only the second party as the reason why people can't talk to each other on the internet.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
      > People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're not singling out the words of only the second party as the reason why people can't talk to each other on the internet. People say "two wrongs don't make a right" when they're saying that one bad behavior in response to another bad behavior is still a bad behavior. > "this is disinformation. Here's a study"... This is both more reasonable than and different from what was written. > Where do you get that disinfo?? Couldn't that part simply have been left out? More to the point, is a person definitely wrong for thinking that it ought to have been left out? > I'd love to hear how a bar [that is ostensibly resting on the ground] is lowered Dig a hole. It can always get worse.

kelipso 3y ago

Literally searching for HCQ-AZ on duckduckgo gives you the results quick, it's 2nd and 3rd on the list.