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I think you've misconstrued this case. The preacher was arrested for shouting and harassing a person in a public space. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england

I think you've misconstrued this case. The preacher was arrested for shouting and harassing a person in a public space. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-64905216 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-64905216

fitchel 3y ago
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- KronisLV 3y ago
  > Not everyone believes in this "gender identity" bullshit, and we shouldn't be forced by the law to accede to the demands of its acolytes. This feels like a very hateful take. For anyone who needs to hear this: not everyone is like this and a lot of people actually support you in finding your best selves and living happy lives. I'm sorry you have to deal with this. Debating the extent of the law and how it should be applied is okay, the tone doesn't seem that way to me.
  - fitchel 3y ago
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joenot443 3y ago
Where is my misconstruction? > A Christian preacher who was found guilty of harassing a transgender woman by calling her a "man" and "gentleman" has had his conviction quashed. From what I understand, the 'harassment' claim was based on the misgendering, not the preaching. It sounds as if the court later overturned the claim, but the fact he was charged at all is a tad unsettling to me. In NYC I walk past preachers at Union Square all the time. I've been called a heretic and a sinner, you just gotta shrug it off. It sounds like in this case, the trans person who felt victimized actually _initiated_ the conversation. > Earlier, the court saw video footage from the preacher's body-worn camera which showed Ms Munir approaching Mr McConnell as he spoke to a small crowd. She was seen to ask him: "Does God accept the LBGT community?" So the complementary case here would be if I approached one of the Black Hebrew Israelites in Union Square and asked them how they felt about Catholics, and got the response you'd expect. Do you really think I'd have grounds for a 'harassment' claim? Like I said, I'm not English, this isn't my country. If the voters of the UK want this type of protection through power of the law, who am I to tell them otherwise. I'm just observing that I'm pleased to live in a country where disagreeing on gender politics isn't enough to land you a criminal record.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 3y ago
  > In NYC I walk past preachers at Union Square all the time. I've been called a heretic and a sinner, you just gotta shrug it off. TBH I'd be totally OK if we de-normalized the passive acceptance of street preachers hurling insults at those who pass by. It feels like they're given a pass because of their "religious" status, while someone acting basically the same but without the religious context stands a good chance of catching a disorderly conduct / disturbing the peace citation.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    The overlap between street preacher and ‘person who is disturbed and possibly having some sort of episode’ is unfortunately high where I am. I think that engaging would increase stabbings.
- johndunne 3y ago
  First, the OP was talking specifically about end-to-end encryption. Second, and related to the court case; the arrest happened because of a harassment complaint and the court quashed the complaint on the basis of insufficiently harassing to warrant prosecution. As far as the law was concerned, there was no case related to gender politics but solely harassment. To comment "arrested because of gender politics" is to misconstrue the court case.

fitchel 3y ago

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KronisLV 3y ago
> Not everyone believes in this "gender identity" bullshit, and we shouldn't be forced by the law to accede to the demands of its acolytes. This feels like a very hateful take. For anyone who needs to hear this: not everyone is like this and a lot of people actually support you in finding your best selves and living happy lives. I'm sorry you have to deal with this. Debating the extent of the law and how it should be applied is okay, the tone doesn't seem that way to me.
- fitchel 3y ago
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joenot443 3y ago

Where is my misconstruction? > A Christian preacher who was found guilty of harassing a transgender woman by calling her a "man" and "gentleman" has had his conviction quashed. From what I understand, the 'harassment' claim was based on the misgendering, not the preaching. It sounds as if the court later overturned the claim, but the fact he was charged at all is a tad unsettling to me. In NYC I walk past preachers at Union Square all the time. I've been called a heretic and a sinner, you just gotta shrug it off. It sounds like in this case, the trans person who felt victimized actually _initiated_ the conversation. > Earlier, the court saw video footage from the preacher's body-worn camera which showed Ms Munir approaching Mr McConnell as he spoke to a small crowd. She was seen to ask him: "Does God accept the LBGT community?" So the complementary case here would be if I approached one of the Black Hebrew Israelites in Union Square and asked them how they felt about Catholics, and got the response you'd expect. Do you really think I'd have grounds for a 'harassment' claim? Like I said, I'm not English, this isn't my country. If the voters of the UK want this type of protection through power of the law, who am I to tell them otherwise. I'm just observing that I'm pleased to live in a country where disagreeing on gender politics isn't enough to land you a criminal record.

sjsdaiuasgdia 3y ago
> In NYC I walk past preachers at Union Square all the time. I've been called a heretic and a sinner, you just gotta shrug it off. TBH I'd be totally OK if we de-normalized the passive acceptance of street preachers hurling insults at those who pass by. It feels like they're given a pass because of their "religious" status, while someone acting basically the same but without the religious context stands a good chance of catching a disorderly conduct / disturbing the peace citation.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  The overlap between street preacher and ‘person who is disturbed and possibly having some sort of episode’ is unfortunately high where I am. I think that engaging would increase stabbings.
johndunne 3y ago
First, the OP was talking specifically about end-to-end encryption. Second, and related to the court case; the arrest happened because of a harassment complaint and the court quashed the complaint on the basis of insufficiently harassing to warrant prosecution. As far as the law was concerned, there was no case related to gender politics but solely harassment. To comment "arrested because of gender politics" is to misconstrue the court case.