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Orders of magnitude more grooming and misconduct is done over SMS than was ever done over Omegle. Is it up to telecom engineers to “wake up” and own that they’

Orders of magnitude more grooming and misconduct is done over SMS than was ever done over Omegle. Is it up to telecom engineers to “wake up” and own that they’re facilitating this abuse? It seems like one of those finger pointing cases which falls apart when any level of scrutiny is applied.

nottorp 3y ago
They probably couldn't afford to sue a mobile phone provider :) But some ambulance chasing lawyer told them they have a chance to win in this case.
concordDance 3y ago
A large portion of commentators here greatly dislike the idea of unmonitored interactions between humans. Their ideal is that every person's cellphone continuously records nearby conversations and sends them to the police where they can run large language models to provide a shortlist of dangerous communications that a policeman can then look at and charge for.
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  We all know this is not true, not even close. Read through the comments here, there's a clear overwhelming majority opinion blaming the family rather than the company. Even beyond this post, I've never seen this called for on this site. You are in a clear majority position but still pretend to be persecuted and victimized by an imagined boogeyman.
  - Bud 3y ago
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  - 2devnull 3y ago
    This thread is about what exactly?
    - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
      Several hundred Hackernews act incredulous about the Omegle shut down?
      - nyx 3y ago
        Ahh... I miss n-gate's webshit weekly. You know he'd have been all over this thread. Omegle (business model: "Uber for child grooming")
      - 2devnull 3y ago
        If having as you claim support from the majority and yet they are still being shutdown, maybe their claim to unfair treatment from a coordinated opposition has some merit? I had no view either way until reading this thread, and seeing that many adults used the site, which it seems did nothing illegal. Their greatest sin it seems was allowing humans to connect with one another. Something that’s increasingly seen as a danger that requires government intervention into. If people could go back in time, we would never have public education because “it attracts predators and facilitates child victimization!” See how stupid that is?
        fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
        > If having as you claim support from the majority Of this thread. I presume the vast majority of people don't really care about Omegle, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the nostalgic commenters here haven't actually used it since 2009. I have semi recently, and let me tell you there was a lot more dick on there than I remember. I do find it weird that most of this post is blaming (in order) the family, the government, woke society. It seems fairly obvious to me we should be blaming the people showing their dicks to everyone and the pedophiles. Overall I understand any site choosing to shut down rather than having to foot the bill of policing their users, I probably would too. > If people could go back in time, we would never have public education because “it attracts predators and facilitates child victimization!” We both know this isn't true. We still have church after all.
        3y ago
  - concordDance 3y ago
    I agree I'm in the majority here on hackernews, but I'm also in the minority in my country (the UK) given the monitoring provisions now required by social media companies and where private communication of ideas between individuals is punishable[1]. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67331657 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67331657
throwaway290 3y ago
> Orders of magnitude more grooming and misconduct is done over SMS Yeah, you should bring up snail mail next. Even if we imagine someone using SMS in this day and age, still no one uses it to send photos or videos or broadcast live abuse. > Is it up to telecom engineers to “wake up” For better or worse a lot of what they do is considered essential service (calling emergency, disaster response etc). e2ee messaging isn't essential, and yes ordinary non-tech people are waking up to harmful uses of it. If tech industry doesn't own up to that and work to combat those, someone else will and in that case rest assured you will not like the result:)

nottorp 3y ago

They probably couldn't afford to sue a mobile phone provider :) But some ambulance chasing lawyer told them they have a chance to win in this case.

concordDance 3y ago

A large portion of commentators here greatly dislike the idea of unmonitored interactions between humans. Their ideal is that every person's cellphone continuously records nearby conversations and sends them to the police where they can run large language models to provide a shortlist of dangerous communications that a policeman can then look at and charge for.

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
We all know this is not true, not even close. Read through the comments here, there's a clear overwhelming majority opinion blaming the family rather than the company. Even beyond this post, I've never seen this called for on this site. You are in a clear majority position but still pretend to be persecuted and victimized by an imagined boogeyman.
- Bud 3y ago
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- 2devnull 3y ago
  This thread is about what exactly?
  - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
    Several hundred Hackernews act incredulous about the Omegle shut down?
    - nyx 3y ago
      Ahh... I miss n-gate's webshit weekly. You know he'd have been all over this thread. Omegle (business model: "Uber for child grooming")
    - 2devnull 3y ago
      If having as you claim support from the majority and yet they are still being shutdown, maybe their claim to unfair treatment from a coordinated opposition has some merit? I had no view either way until reading this thread, and seeing that many adults used the site, which it seems did nothing illegal. Their greatest sin it seems was allowing humans to connect with one another. Something that’s increasingly seen as a danger that requires government intervention into. If people could go back in time, we would never have public education because “it attracts predators and facilitates child victimization!” See how stupid that is?
      - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
        > If having as you claim support from the majority Of this thread. I presume the vast majority of people don't really care about Omegle, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the nostalgic commenters here haven't actually used it since 2009. I have semi recently, and let me tell you there was a lot more dick on there than I remember. I do find it weird that most of this post is blaming (in order) the family, the government, woke society. It seems fairly obvious to me we should be blaming the people showing their dicks to everyone and the pedophiles. Overall I understand any site choosing to shut down rather than having to foot the bill of policing their users, I probably would too. > If people could go back in time, we would never have public education because “it attracts predators and facilitates child victimization!” We both know this isn't true. We still have church after all.
        3y ago
- concordDance 3y ago
  I agree I'm in the majority here on hackernews, but I'm also in the minority in my country (the UK) given the monitoring provisions now required by social media companies and where private communication of ideas between individuals is punishable[1]. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67331657 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67331657

throwaway290 3y ago

> Orders of magnitude more grooming and misconduct is done over SMS Yeah, you should bring up snail mail next. Even if we imagine someone using SMS in this day and age, still no one uses it to send photos or videos or broadcast live abuse. > Is it up to telecom engineers to “wake up” For better or worse a lot of what they do is considered essential service (calling emergency, disaster response etc). e2ee messaging isn't essential, and yes ordinary non-tech people are waking up to harmful uses of it. If tech industry doesn't own up to that and work to combat those, someone else will and in that case rest assured you will not like the result:)