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Hoppscotch desktop application

73 points by 0xedb 3y ago

anon23432343 3y ago
First either add "Show HN" or "AD". Second I use bruno https://www.usebruno.com/ https://www.usebruno.com/.
- darylteo 3y ago
  "We don't talk about bruno" I'd say Hoppscotch is aimed more at teams looking for a Postman replacement - particularly with regards to the cloud-syncing functionality. Our team's looked into it in the past, and unfortunately we determined that the cost of having to maintain it at a sufficient SLA + the cost of potential interruption to our critical business functions if we got it wrong was not something we could absorb at the time. Easier to just pay for Postman for the peace of mind. Edit: ah I looked into bruno a bit more. It does syncing via git which might be enticing. I'll research more.
  - anon23432343 3y ago
    Why do we not talk about bruno?
    - darylteo 3y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWRMAU6V-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWRMAU6V-c
tomalbrc 3y ago
It's an Electron app, isn't it
- pprotas 3y ago
  Quote from the article: "The Hoppscotch Desktop app is built on the robust Tauri framework using Rust" Previously, the recommended desktop experience was to install the app as a PWA on your desktop.
- glub103011 3y ago
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- zikero 3y ago
  Built with Tauri. No electron app is a 16.5MB download. (I have no affiliation, just a fan)
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    > No electron app is a 16.5MB download. The sad thing is that it definitely could be. If you install Bitwarden (an Electron based password manager) from the Arch user repos, Electron is a separate dependency shared with other Electron applications. This means Bitwarden itself can be downloaded in just 5.4 MB (compressed, of course). Tauri is not that different, though its dependency is the system browser rather than the Electron framework itself. I think Tauri's approach is better, but a lot of Electron applications could be only a few megabytes in size if dependency management wasn't done so badly in modern software distribution. Unsurprisingly, the Linux AppImage is 87MB in size because it comes with a runtime. There's a smaller (17MB) .deb file, but I don't see any references to a package repository, so I guess on Debian based systems it'll just make you download the .deb every time to install it manually.
- sbruchmann 3y ago
  Read the post.
T3RMINATED 3y ago
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ReactiveJelly 3y ago
> Hoppscotch is a lightweight, web-based API development suite.
martypitt 3y ago
Nice. Downloaded and installed. Clean UI (almost bordering on a rip-off of Postman.. but I guess familiarity helps users get going faster). Lovely to see that things aren't held behind a Login button, ala Postman and Insomnia (Kong really misread the room on their latest update). Login and accounts seem like they're there, but very clearly optional. Nicely done, Hoppscotch team!
- iKlsR 3y ago
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glub103011 3y ago
It has a clean UI and can be self-hosted. The downside is that - Only one workspace is available when offline. - You can't point your Workspace data to a specific directory like bruno does, and manage the data like git or other clouds. - Self-hosting login is not possible in the desktop app. - Cannot save specific responses like postman. - Can't create documentation for a folder/request. Now that we've just launched, I think we have a lot to look forward to. I hope it evolves to not force cloud synchronization like postman and insomnia, and to be free to use offline.
- omniscient_oce 3y ago
  It's amazing how powerful and clean Postman and Insomnia both felt when they were young and followed such similar trajectories into bloat and UI-unfriendliness hell.
pprotas 3y ago
I like that they are an open-source Postman, but I also dislike that they are just a copy-and-paste of Postman. Did Hoppscotch try to be innovative in any of its features?
- weinzierl 3y ago
  This is about their desktop app which is not open-source. Yes, it's an easy mistake to make because they use every trick in the book to make you think it is.
  - nguyenkien 3y ago
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  - nguyenkien 3y ago
    This desktop app is open source. The source right on they github page.
- geekish 3y ago
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Stem0037 3y ago
Lightning-fast and lightweight sounds great! What kinds of security measures are in place for the desktop app, especially with sandboxing?
kalev 3y ago
Although sometimes too much, I think the way fly.io starts their blog posts with a description of what they do is brilliant. I have no idea what Hoppscotch is and reading the first paragraphs I still don’t.
- Havoc 3y ago
  Seems to be a trend in hn posts. I guess people are so immersed in their work that they don’t realise others need context
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    OP shared a URL to a post. Context is in the comments. HN's submissions are either a URL with a non-editorialised title, or some text (like what you get in Show HN and Ask HN posts) - not both.
    - Havoc 3y ago
      > Context is in the comments. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I'd think a blog post should have sufficient context in the intro in standalone fashion
      - cassianoleal 3y ago
        That's fair but the blog is not an HN post.
- preciousoo 3y ago
  If took me until seeing the benchmark comparisons to Postman to realize
- nicognaw 3y ago
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rizky05 3y ago
I just tried it. It feels like postman, very slow when typing json body. But it's small, and startup time is instant. I prefer bruno, but we do not talk about bruno.
ctenb 3y ago
What does it do? Can't figure that out from the linked page.
- matteason 3y ago
  It's an API endpoint testing app, like Postman and Insomnia
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  I looked over the home page and even then I couldn't make sense of it. Calling something an "API client" or an "Essential Tools for API Development" is utterly useless; every piece of software is an "API client". Putting "keyboard shortcuts" as a marketing point on your home page isn't exactly helping things either. It looks like it's another of those HTTP call generator tools, like Postman but online. I guess the target audience is people who consider "API" to mean "HTTP calls", which is why it took me so long to get it. Looks like a decent alternative for Postman now that Postman is forcing their online sync stuff down everyone's throats.
- sigzero 3y ago
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user3939382 3y ago
Nothing beats the Jetbrains IDEs’ HTTP client for this. They should release it as a standalone product. It’s all text based so fits nicely into your repo in the native format, no exporting etc.
- mortallywounded 3y ago
  hurl.dev
  - user3939382 3y ago
    That’s not bad either. One thing you get with Jetbrains which I don’t see there is the ability to use arbitrary npm packages to script pre and post response. There is some testing there but the features look fixed from the docs.
- zmxz 3y ago
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  - cy_hauser 3y ago
    Oh, hi. Didn't see you there. Welcome to the web.
  - user3939382 3y ago
    No actually I thoroughly researched this, and compiled a list of every Postman alternative I could find, and tried them all. This was my list at the time: https://paw.cloud/ https://paw.cloud/ https://retool.com/ https://retool.com/ https://insomnia.rest/products/insomnia https://insomnia.rest/products/insomnia https://httpie.io/product https://httpie.io/product https://github.com/sharat87/prestige https://github.com/sharat87/prestige https://github.com/flawiddsouza/Restfox https://github.com/flawiddsouza/Restfox https://hoppscotch.io/ https://hoppscotch.io/ https://github.com/getezy/ezy https://github.com/getezy/ezy
    - 4lejandrito 3y ago
sirius87 3y ago
If you're just looking to store API collections locally, an alternative I use is a VS Code plugin called ThunderClient [1]. imho, dev centric tools that care about system resource usage should just integrate with the IDE when possible. It's already running! [1] https://www.thunderclient.com https://www.thunderclient.com
- dominick-cc 3y ago
  Seems like you have to pay for offline collection runs. I don't understand why you should have to pay for that if it isn't using their cloud to execute them.
- stavros 3y ago
  > It's already running! So is the OS.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    This is the kind of snarky response I can approve of.
    - stavros 3y ago
      But it's true, more code doesn't run for free, regardless of whether some code is already running. An application is part of the OS like a VS Code plugin is part of VS Code. Emacs users know.
weinzierl 3y ago
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yellow_lead 3y ago
After determining what they do by going to the home page (postman/insomnia/bruno replacement), I saw the Google logo. Does Google seriously use such a product? These logo bars are really interesting, as everyone seems to have a different idea as to what they imply.
- beart 3y ago
  Google has thousands of employees right? They probably use every software product out there.
lloydatkinson 3y ago
Let me guess: - Electron - Postman was OK until it was enshitified, so along came Insomnia which was never quite as good as original Postman and then itself became enshitifed - This too will suffer the same fate as the previous two and will gradually also adopt a busy, unworkable, confusing UI This is why I’ve started using Hurl because that doesn’t even have a UI. Bonus: can be kept in source control and run as part of CI/CD. https://www.communication-generation.com/enshitification/ https://www.communication-generation.com/enshitification/ https://hurl.dev/ https://hurl.dev/
bennyp101 3y ago
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weinzierl 3y ago
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wirddin 3y ago
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nickspacek 3y ago
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orliesaurus 3y ago
Anyone knows what template they used for their website?
- solardev 3y ago
  It kinda looks like the default Tailwind template: https://tailwindui.com/templates/spotlight https://tailwindui.com/templates/spotlight Live preview: https://spotlight.tailwindui.com/ https://spotlight.tailwindui.com/ Not an exact match but similar-looking. It's just sort your generic "web platform" look, similar to Vercel/Next/Remix/Astro
- markcollin 3y ago
  would love to know too. The website is gorgeous.
haswell 3y ago
I switched to Paw a few years back (now RapidAPI and now free), and haven’t looked back. The bloat/performance issues with Postman were too much, and I’ve really enjoyed the native experience with Paw. Still always happy to see competition in this space because the existing tools are useful, but can still get better. Although I have a feeling that it won’t be too many years before we forget why we ever needed these API testing tools while some API consuming LLM takes over the space. - https://paw.cloud https://paw.cloud
apieli5 3y ago
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jerrygoyal 3y ago
i still use postman but as vscode extension
benrutter 3y ago
I love hoppscotch and I'm a happy user or their PWA- not sure I understand the benefit that a framework like Tauri provides in addition? (They mention filesystem based workflows, but my understanding was that was also possible within PWA?)

73 points by 0xedb 3y ago

anon23432343 3y ago

First either add "Show HN" or "AD". Second I use bruno https://www.usebruno.com/ https://www.usebruno.com/.

darylteo 3y ago
"We don't talk about bruno" I'd say Hoppscotch is aimed more at teams looking for a Postman replacement - particularly with regards to the cloud-syncing functionality. Our team's looked into it in the past, and unfortunately we determined that the cost of having to maintain it at a sufficient SLA + the cost of potential interruption to our critical business functions if we got it wrong was not something we could absorb at the time. Easier to just pay for Postman for the peace of mind. Edit: ah I looked into bruno a bit more. It does syncing via git which might be enticing. I'll research more.
- anon23432343 3y ago
  Why do we not talk about bruno?
  - darylteo 3y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWRMAU6V-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWRMAU6V-c

tomalbrc 3y ago

It's an Electron app, isn't it

pprotas 3y ago
Quote from the article: "The Hoppscotch Desktop app is built on the robust Tauri framework using Rust" Previously, the recommended desktop experience was to install the app as a PWA on your desktop.
glub103011 3y ago
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zikero 3y ago
Built with Tauri. No electron app is a 16.5MB download. (I have no affiliation, just a fan)
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  > No electron app is a 16.5MB download. The sad thing is that it definitely could be. If you install Bitwarden (an Electron based password manager) from the Arch user repos, Electron is a separate dependency shared with other Electron applications. This means Bitwarden itself can be downloaded in just 5.4 MB (compressed, of course). Tauri is not that different, though its dependency is the system browser rather than the Electron framework itself. I think Tauri's approach is better, but a lot of Electron applications could be only a few megabytes in size if dependency management wasn't done so badly in modern software distribution. Unsurprisingly, the Linux AppImage is 87MB in size because it comes with a runtime. There's a smaller (17MB) .deb file, but I don't see any references to a package repository, so I guess on Debian based systems it'll just make you download the .deb every time to install it manually.
sbruchmann 3y ago
Read the post.

T3RMINATED 3y ago

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ReactiveJelly 3y ago

> Hoppscotch is a lightweight, web-based API development suite.

martypitt 3y ago

Nice. Downloaded and installed. Clean UI (almost bordering on a rip-off of Postman.. but I guess familiarity helps users get going faster). Lovely to see that things aren't held behind a Login button, ala Postman and Insomnia (Kong really misread the room on their latest update). Login and accounts seem like they're there, but very clearly optional. Nicely done, Hoppscotch team!

iKlsR 3y ago
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deleted 3y ago

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glub103011 3y ago

It has a clean UI and can be self-hosted. The downside is that - Only one workspace is available when offline. - You can't point your Workspace data to a specific directory like bruno does, and manage the data like git or other clouds. - Self-hosting login is not possible in the desktop app. - Cannot save specific responses like postman. - Can't create documentation for a folder/request. Now that we've just launched, I think we have a lot to look forward to. I hope it evolves to not force cloud synchronization like postman and insomnia, and to be free to use offline.

omniscient_oce 3y ago
It's amazing how powerful and clean Postman and Insomnia both felt when they were young and followed such similar trajectories into bloat and UI-unfriendliness hell.

pprotas 3y ago

I like that they are an open-source Postman, but I also dislike that they are just a copy-and-paste of Postman. Did Hoppscotch try to be innovative in any of its features?

weinzierl 3y ago
This is about their desktop app which is not open-source. Yes, it's an easy mistake to make because they use every trick in the book to make you think it is.
- nguyenkien 3y ago
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- nguyenkien 3y ago
  This desktop app is open source. The source right on they github page.
geekish 3y ago
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Stem0037 3y ago

Lightning-fast and lightweight sounds great! What kinds of security measures are in place for the desktop app, especially with sandboxing?

kalev 3y ago

Although sometimes too much, I think the way fly.io starts their blog posts with a description of what they do is brilliant. I have no idea what Hoppscotch is and reading the first paragraphs I still don’t.

Havoc 3y ago
Seems to be a trend in hn posts. I guess people are so immersed in their work that they don’t realise others need context
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  OP shared a URL to a post. Context is in the comments. HN's submissions are either a URL with a non-editorialised title, or some text (like what you get in Show HN and Ask HN posts) - not both.
  - Havoc 3y ago
    > Context is in the comments. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I'd think a blog post should have sufficient context in the intro in standalone fashion
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      That's fair but the blog is not an HN post.
preciousoo 3y ago
If took me until seeing the benchmark comparisons to Postman to realize
nicognaw 3y ago
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deleted 3y ago

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rizky05 3y ago

I just tried it. It feels like postman, very slow when typing json body. But it's small, and startup time is instant. I prefer bruno, but we do not talk about bruno.

ctenb 3y ago

What does it do? Can't figure that out from the linked page.

matteason 3y ago
It's an API endpoint testing app, like Postman and Insomnia
jeroenhd 3y ago
I looked over the home page and even then I couldn't make sense of it. Calling something an "API client" or an "Essential Tools for API Development" is utterly useless; every piece of software is an "API client". Putting "keyboard shortcuts" as a marketing point on your home page isn't exactly helping things either. It looks like it's another of those HTTP call generator tools, like Postman but online. I guess the target audience is people who consider "API" to mean "HTTP calls", which is why it took me so long to get it. Looks like a decent alternative for Postman now that Postman is forcing their online sync stuff down everyone's throats.
sigzero 3y ago
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user3939382 3y ago

Nothing beats the Jetbrains IDEs’ HTTP client for this. They should release it as a standalone product. It’s all text based so fits nicely into your repo in the native format, no exporting etc.

mortallywounded 3y ago
hurl.dev
- user3939382 3y ago
  That’s not bad either. One thing you get with Jetbrains which I don’t see there is the ability to use arbitrary npm packages to script pre and post response. There is some testing there but the features look fixed from the docs.
zmxz 3y ago
[flagged]
- cy_hauser 3y ago
  Oh, hi. Didn't see you there. Welcome to the web.
- user3939382 3y ago
  No actually I thoroughly researched this, and compiled a list of every Postman alternative I could find, and tried them all. This was my list at the time: https://paw.cloud/ https://paw.cloud/ https://retool.com/ https://retool.com/ https://insomnia.rest/products/insomnia https://insomnia.rest/products/insomnia https://httpie.io/product https://httpie.io/product https://github.com/sharat87/prestige https://github.com/sharat87/prestige https://github.com/flawiddsouza/Restfox https://github.com/flawiddsouza/Restfox https://hoppscotch.io/ https://hoppscotch.io/ https://github.com/getezy/ezy https://github.com/getezy/ezy
  - 4lejandrito 3y ago

sirius87 3y ago

If you're just looking to store API collections locally, an alternative I use is a VS Code plugin called ThunderClient [1]. imho, dev centric tools that care about system resource usage should just integrate with the IDE when possible. It's already running! [1] https://www.thunderclient.com https://www.thunderclient.com

dominick-cc 3y ago
Seems like you have to pay for offline collection runs. I don't understand why you should have to pay for that if it isn't using their cloud to execute them.
stavros 3y ago
> It's already running! So is the OS.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  This is the kind of snarky response I can approve of.
  - stavros 3y ago
    But it's true, more code doesn't run for free, regardless of whether some code is already running. An application is part of the OS like a VS Code plugin is part of VS Code. Emacs users know.

weinzierl 3y ago

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yellow_lead 3y ago

After determining what they do by going to the home page (postman/insomnia/bruno replacement), I saw the Google logo. Does Google seriously use such a product? These logo bars are really interesting, as everyone seems to have a different idea as to what they imply.

beart 3y ago
Google has thousands of employees right? They probably use every software product out there.

lloydatkinson 3y ago

Let me guess: - Electron - Postman was OK until it was enshitified, so along came Insomnia which was never quite as good as original Postman and then itself became enshitifed - This too will suffer the same fate as the previous two and will gradually also adopt a busy, unworkable, confusing UI This is why I’ve started using Hurl because that doesn’t even have a UI. Bonus: can be kept in source control and run as part of CI/CD. https://www.communication-generation.com/enshitification/ https://www.communication-generation.com/enshitification/ https://hurl.dev/ https://hurl.dev/

bennyp101 3y ago

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weinzierl 3y ago

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wirddin 3y ago

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nickspacek 3y ago

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orliesaurus 3y ago

Anyone knows what template they used for their website?

solardev 3y ago
It kinda looks like the default Tailwind template: https://tailwindui.com/templates/spotlight https://tailwindui.com/templates/spotlight Live preview: https://spotlight.tailwindui.com/ https://spotlight.tailwindui.com/ Not an exact match but similar-looking. It's just sort your generic "web platform" look, similar to Vercel/Next/Remix/Astro
markcollin 3y ago
would love to know too. The website is gorgeous.

haswell 3y ago

I switched to Paw a few years back (now RapidAPI and now free), and haven’t looked back. The bloat/performance issues with Postman were too much, and I’ve really enjoyed the native experience with Paw. Still always happy to see competition in this space because the existing tools are useful, but can still get better. Although I have a feeling that it won’t be too many years before we forget why we ever needed these API testing tools while some API consuming LLM takes over the space. - https://paw.cloud https://paw.cloud

apieli5 3y ago

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jerrygoyal 3y ago

i still use postman but as vscode extension

benrutter 3y ago

I love hoppscotch and I'm a happy user or their PWA- not sure I understand the benefit that a framework like Tauri provides in addition? (They mention filesystem based workflows, but my understanding was that was also possible within PWA?)