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> There is no such thing as a "union-contract". What you meant is that there was a collective bargaining agreement in place at one employer which prevented them

> There is no such thing as a "union-contract". What you meant is that there was a collective bargaining agreement in place at one employer which prevented them from paying you less than some minimum. That you then failed to negotiate a higher salary than the minimum is on you and not the union. Whatever dude, you know what I meant. I am not talking about salary really, the problem is that the unions and the employers tried to convince me and others to accept a shittier contract (which we didn't do) but ultimately we finally got the choice to accept or get fired. Although at one of these jobs we got them to improve the terms since no one wanted to sign it and they couldn't fire everybody. The unions don't work for the employees, they work for themselves only. They don't care about the employees which was very obvious both of the times when the companies I worked in got unionized. > Nope. Unions have barred active members of Sweden Democrats from becoming functionaries, but have not terminated their memberships. For developers, unions still offer insurances and have pretty good lawyers which can negotiate agreements if there are disputes over, for example, IP, patents, or severance packages. Again nitpicking (and you're wrong [1]) also since still being allowed to pay for a membership where you don't get anything to say because of your political affiliations is disgusting and just adding insult to injury. I don't want to be a member of such a disgusting organisation. If I get badly treated on a job I'd never stay and try to fight, I just leave for another job since there is plenty of jobs as a developer with most companies being really nice and most companies will give you good terms. If I really wanted to fight (over an IP or similar) I would never trust a shitty union to take care of it, I would just use my saved money (instead of wasting hundreds of SEK on a worthless union every month) and employ my own lawyer that _actually_ works for me and my interests. As a dev there is absolutely no need to be part of a union. I have never been part of one and never will unless they radically change a lot. The idea of unions is good but the practice is horrible, mostly because they themselves has gotten so big and greedy they have forgotten where they came from and what their purpose was. [1]: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/dom-i-hovratten-om-transportarbetareforbundets-uteslutning-av-sd-politiker-i-kiruna-ur-facket https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/dom-i-hovratten...

bjourne 3y ago
> Whatever dude, you know what I meant. No, I didn't knew what you meant. There is no such thing as a "union contract" in Sweden. Your employment contract is between employee and employer and is only indirectly affected by the collective bargaining agreement between the union and the employer. That is, your employment contract may not specify lower salary or worse benefits than what the union and the employer agreed upon. Due to inflation, collective bargaining rarely results in worse agreements than previously negotiated. But it can happen if the company faces bankruptcy and needs to urgently cut costs to survive. Apparently, this has happened to you more than once since you claim that "unions" and "employers" tried to convince you to accept a "shittier contract". Tough luck, I guess. > Again nitpicking (and you're wrong [1]) also since still being allowed to pay for a membership where you don't get anything to say because of your political affiliations is disgusting and just adding insult to injury. Well, the excluded member was an elected official of the Sweden Democrats. It wasn't solely due to his membership in that party that the union excluded him.

bjourne 3y ago

> Whatever dude, you know what I meant. No, I didn't knew what you meant. There is no such thing as a "union contract" in Sweden. Your employment contract is between employee and employer and is only indirectly affected by the collective bargaining agreement between the union and the employer. That is, your employment contract may not specify lower salary or worse benefits than what the union and the employer agreed upon. Due to inflation, collective bargaining rarely results in worse agreements than previously negotiated. But it can happen if the company faces bankruptcy and needs to urgently cut costs to survive. Apparently, this has happened to you more than once since you claim that "unions" and "employers" tried to convince you to accept a "shittier contract". Tough luck, I guess. > Again nitpicking (and you're wrong [1]) also since still being allowed to pay for a membership where you don't get anything to say because of your political affiliations is disgusting and just adding insult to injury. Well, the excluded member was an elected official of the Sweden Democrats. It wasn't solely due to his membership in that party that the union excluded him.