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I'm calling from Israeli intelligence. We have orders to bomb. You have 2 hours

22 points by Someone 3y ago

Someone 3y ago
Q: What do you do for a living? A: I call people to tell them they should get out asap because their neighborhood will be destroyed
- penneallagricia 3y ago
  "I just follow my orders"
  - varjag 3y ago
    Naturally, in an ideal world no houses would ever be bombed. But given the status quo we are in, my question is: would you prefer they don't call?
    - ireadmevs 3y ago
      > But given the status quo we are in Why that’s a given? Why should we not try to demand a correction on the root cause of the issue instead of just accepting poor patches on top?
      - varjag 3y ago
        By all means demand the world peace. But while it's not there yet, back to my original question?
    - penneallagricia 3y ago
      In fact often they do not call, as reported by sources on the ground. But even if they called always, tell me, would it be ok for you to receive a call ordering you to abandon your home and belongings within an hour, pending its destruction? Does that make it humane?
      - varjag 3y ago
        Naturally it's not something I'd be looking for. But on continuum of bad things to possibly happen it's far ahead of slowly dying under concrete rubble.
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        krapp 3y ago
        "The war crimes and genocide could be worse, so why is anyone complaining?"
        varjag 3y ago
        The poster I replied to has suggested the man giving the heads up on bombings should not be doing that: that's what "I just followed orders" sarcastic line implies. Do you agree with that?
- deleted 3y ago
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greyface- 3y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38187301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38187301 1 day ago, 51 comments, [flagged]
mrmlz 3y ago
Very civil of them! I'd prefer a heads-up before someone had planned on bombing my house. I wonder if Hamaz would extend the same courtesy?
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  Agreed. As a privileged westerner, I don't genocide unless it's done cordially. Come on, we're not barbarians.
  - mrmlz 3y ago
    [flagged]
hliyan 3y ago
This is a terrible burden to place on one man. Were there no official lines? Or were they somehow thinking that bypassing official lines and going directly to residents would preserve the element of surprise against whatever Hamas units they thought were operating from these locations?
- soco 3y ago
  Or they had no trust Hamas would pass this announcement to the concerned people?
goatsneez 3y ago
The truth of the matter; there is no reasoning under which such a call can be considered as a "moral" or civilized. The motivation behind is not humanitarian, on the contrary it is pure terrorism in all-encomassig meaning of the word. If you doubt that, put your-self in the situation, right now as you sit wherever, receiving this call. Another poster asked a question: Would you prefer that they dont call? I reject this frame of reference all-together as a valid one. So far, 10k people as per UN data ~70% of them children (and there are innocent men as well, which puts as per UN estimate >90% of casualties as pure non-combatants) and women have been massacred in openly admitted and self-proclaimed extermination process, and they received no such call. Nay, they actually are actively being starved and do not even have electricity for weeks now to even being able to take the call. Therefore, if such call is made or are made, they are exception. Most people did not receive it before being murdered. Hence, its nature is not humanitarian but the contrary, calculated terror. Any sane human not consumed by ethnic or racial hatred (for which I have not need to comment) cannot accept this argument as moral. That BBC runs this an a tone and implied morals is despicable.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  It isn't a humanitarian mission, it is urban warfare in a defensive war by Israel. It isn't much and pretty cynical to call in a bombing, but better than nothing and there is considerable risk too as the announcement could warn enemy troops.
  - hypeit 3y ago
    I think you need to read up on Nakba. Israel is the invading force since 1948. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
    - compsciphd 3y ago
      [flagged]
    - raxxorraxor 3y ago
      I did read up on it, did you read out about the plans of al-Husseini before it? The subjugation of Jews and the planned holocaust of the middle east?

22 points by Someone 3y ago

Q: What do you do for a living? A: I call people to tell them they should get out asap because their neighborhood will be destroyed

penneallagricia 3y ago
"I just follow my orders"
- varjag 3y ago
  Naturally, in an ideal world no houses would ever be bombed. But given the status quo we are in, my question is: would you prefer they don't call?
  - ireadmevs 3y ago
    > But given the status quo we are in Why that’s a given? Why should we not try to demand a correction on the root cause of the issue instead of just accepting poor patches on top?
    - varjag 3y ago
      By all means demand the world peace. But while it's not there yet, back to my original question?
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    In fact often they do not call, as reported by sources on the ground. But even if they called always, tell me, would it be ok for you to receive a call ordering you to abandon your home and belongings within an hour, pending its destruction? Does that make it humane?
    - varjag 3y ago
      Naturally it's not something I'd be looking for. But on continuum of bad things to possibly happen it's far ahead of slowly dying under concrete rubble.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - krapp 3y ago
        "The war crimes and genocide could be worse, so why is anyone complaining?"
        varjag 3y ago
        The poster I replied to has suggested the man giving the heads up on bombings should not be doing that: that's what "I just followed orders" sarcastic line implies. Do you agree with that?
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

greyface- 3y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38187301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38187301 1 day ago, 51 comments, [flagged]

mrmlz 3y ago

Very civil of them! I'd prefer a heads-up before someone had planned on bombing my house. I wonder if Hamaz would extend the same courtesy?

gettodachoppa 3y ago
Agreed. As a privileged westerner, I don't genocide unless it's done cordially. Come on, we're not barbarians.
- mrmlz 3y ago
  [flagged]

hliyan 3y ago

This is a terrible burden to place on one man. Were there no official lines? Or were they somehow thinking that bypassing official lines and going directly to residents would preserve the element of surprise against whatever Hamas units they thought were operating from these locations?

soco 3y ago
Or they had no trust Hamas would pass this announcement to the concerned people?

goatsneez 3y ago

The truth of the matter; there is no reasoning under which such a call can be considered as a "moral" or civilized. The motivation behind is not humanitarian, on the contrary it is pure terrorism in all-encomassig meaning of the word. If you doubt that, put your-self in the situation, right now as you sit wherever, receiving this call. Another poster asked a question: Would you prefer that they dont call? I reject this frame of reference all-together as a valid one. So far, 10k people as per UN data ~70% of them children (and there are innocent men as well, which puts as per UN estimate >90% of casualties as pure non-combatants) and women have been massacred in openly admitted and self-proclaimed extermination process, and they received no such call. Nay, they actually are actively being starved and do not even have electricity for weeks now to even being able to take the call. Therefore, if such call is made or are made, they are exception. Most people did not receive it before being murdered. Hence, its nature is not humanitarian but the contrary, calculated terror. Any sane human not consumed by ethnic or racial hatred (for which I have not need to comment) cannot accept this argument as moral. That BBC runs this an a tone and implied morals is despicable.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
It isn't a humanitarian mission, it is urban warfare in a defensive war by Israel. It isn't much and pretty cynical to call in a bombing, but better than nothing and there is considerable risk too as the announcement could warn enemy troops.
- hypeit 3y ago
  I think you need to read up on Nakba. Israel is the invading force since 1948. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
  - compsciphd 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - raxxorraxor 3y ago
    I did read up on it, did you read out about the plans of al-Husseini before it? The subjugation of Jews and the planned holocaust of the middle east?