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> As phrased, you're just making any features that use network connections illegal. No, only features that require network connection. Which is exactly the int

> As phrased, you're just making any features that use network connections illegal. No, only features that require network connection. Which is exactly the intended outcome.

kelnos 3y ago
Speak for yourself. I like being able to lock my car from far away when I've forgotten to. I like being able to remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside for meet in the winter. Making these sorts of features illegal is unacceptable and short sighted. What I'd like is to force carmakers to open up the APIs and protocols used to enable these features, and allow me to use my own backend that I run in my own hardware, away from their prying eyes.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > Speak for yourself. I like being able to lock my car from far away when I've forgotten to. I like being able to remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside for meet in the winter. > Making these sorts of features illegal is unacceptable and short sighted. Please tell me that this is a parody.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    If you think that is parody, you might be in an ideological bubble. These features are popular.
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      > If you think that is parody, you might be in an ideological bubble. Ah yes, the famous ideological bubble of “not being a wealthy American”. Talk about filter bubbles… The topic at stake are freedom and private property: the right to do what you want with your car, and the right to fully own a car without the manufacturer having higher rights than you the owner (including rights to disable features remotely). If you think that “I'm too lazy to get back to my car to lock it” is a good argument in that context, there's not much I can do for you. And “popularity” isn't relevant either, since remotely brick-able and non-reparable shit are selling well too.
      - kube-system 3y ago
        Telemetry services are hardly an American thing, and they're only a "wealthy" thing as much as buying a new economy car makes someone "wealthy". https://www.chevrolet.com.br/carros/novo-onix/especificacoes-versoes https://www.chevrolet.com.br/carros/novo-onix/especificacoes... Popularity is very relevant when the entire root of this thread is a discussion about law. If you propose laws that ban popular features, you're not going to be a very successful politician.
- exabrial 3y ago
  > Lock my car from far away LORA or Bluetooth > remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside LORA or Bluetooth And yes, cell fallback would be fine if those two fail.

> As phrased, you're just making any features that use network connections illegal. No, only features that require network connection. Which is exactly the intended outcome.

kelnos 3y ago

Speak for yourself. I like being able to lock my car from far away when I've forgotten to. I like being able to remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside for meet in the winter. Making these sorts of features illegal is unacceptable and short sighted. What I'd like is to force carmakers to open up the APIs and protocols used to enable these features, and allow me to use my own backend that I run in my own hardware, away from their prying eyes.

littlestymaar 3y ago
> Speak for yourself. I like being able to lock my car from far away when I've forgotten to. I like being able to remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside for meet in the winter. > Making these sorts of features illegal is unacceptable and short sighted. Please tell me that this is a parody.
- kube-system 3y ago
  If you think that is parody, you might be in an ideological bubble. These features are popular.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    > If you think that is parody, you might be in an ideological bubble. Ah yes, the famous ideological bubble of “not being a wealthy American”. Talk about filter bubbles… The topic at stake are freedom and private property: the right to do what you want with your car, and the right to fully own a car without the manufacturer having higher rights than you the owner (including rights to disable features remotely). If you think that “I'm too lazy to get back to my car to lock it” is a good argument in that context, there's not much I can do for you. And “popularity” isn't relevant either, since remotely brick-able and non-reparable shit are selling well too.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      Telemetry services are hardly an American thing, and they're only a "wealthy" thing as much as buying a new economy car makes someone "wealthy". https://www.chevrolet.com.br/carros/novo-onix/especificacoes-versoes https://www.chevrolet.com.br/carros/novo-onix/especificacoes... Popularity is very relevant when the entire root of this thread is a discussion about law. If you propose laws that ban popular features, you're not going to be a very successful politician.
exabrial 3y ago
> Lock my car from far away LORA or Bluetooth > remotely start the engine so it's nice and warm inside LORA or Bluetooth And yes, cell fallback would be fine if those two fail.