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Everyone spies on everyone they can spy on.

lucubratory 3y ago
Exactly. That's why it's just expected that the PRC managed to acquire the personnel records of all US federal employees, and it's not a big deal that the PRC stole data on the F-35. Same with industrial espionage, states are just going to keep spying on each other, why get upset about it? It's just what states do.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  If your country doesn't value private personal data(unless it is medical) it should be entirely expected to anyone with money to get it. And countries tend to have deep pockets. So them getting data works entirely by design.
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- meepmorp 3y ago
  The countries have every right to be upset, but this is standard practice and everyone does it. There's a reason why counterintelligence agencies exist. My comment was a preemptive response to the inevitable naive and/or grandstanding rants people here are apt to deliver on the subject. E.g., your own comment.
- phil21 3y ago
  He upset about it, but acting surprised or outraged is just fake crocodile tears.
boffinAudio 3y ago
But not everyone gives their whistleblowers a chemical lobotomy, locked away in a notoriously oppressive torture palace without recourse or any justice, when they reveal information that is vital to the future of humanity...
- meepmorp 3y ago
  I have no idea what you're talking about, or how it relates to countries spying on one another.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    "Everyone spies on everyone - so therefore its okay to do it" "We will annihilate whistleblowers when they reveal uncomfortable secrets - because thats okay to do when it suits our national interest" The whistleblowers have revealed that in fact, NO - nobody spies (violating billions of human beings' rights) at the same grandiose and extensive scale as the criminal 5-eyes coalition currently operating the worlds biggest human rights violations (GCHQ, NSA, Pine Gap, etc.)
    - cman1444 3y ago
      I wish you would be more specific about who you're referring to with the "torture palace" talk. Also, it's quite a stretch to say that privacy violations are "the world's biggest human rights violations" when there's currently much more violent things going on around the globe (genocide in Xinjiang, Sudan for example). Your comment also ignores the amount of surveillance done by other countries, notably China. Your biased are glaringly obvious by leaving that out, as it's one of the most populous countries in the world and also one of (if not the most) surveilled societies.
      - boffinAudio 3y ago
        Julian Assange is in the worlds most notorious torture palace, currently being chemically lobotomized. And the NSA's violations of human rights at massive scale fare outpaces anything China can do. Your whataboutism of China is noted. Americans fail consistently to take responsibility for their nations heinous and vile human rights abuses, all the while calling out 'other nations' from a position of moral authority that is just fallacious.

Exactly. That's why it's just expected that the PRC managed to acquire the personnel records of all US federal employees, and it's not a big deal that the PRC stole data on the F-35. Same with industrial espionage, states are just going to keep spying on each other, why get upset about it? It's just what states do.

Ekaros 3y ago
If your country doesn't value private personal data(unless it is medical) it should be entirely expected to anyone with money to get it. And countries tend to have deep pockets. So them getting data works entirely by design.
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meepmorp 3y ago
The countries have every right to be upset, but this is standard practice and everyone does it. There's a reason why counterintelligence agencies exist. My comment was a preemptive response to the inevitable naive and/or grandstanding rants people here are apt to deliver on the subject. E.g., your own comment.
phil21 3y ago
He upset about it, but acting surprised or outraged is just fake crocodile tears.

boffinAudio 3y ago

But not everyone gives their whistleblowers a chemical lobotomy, locked away in a notoriously oppressive torture palace without recourse or any justice, when they reveal information that is vital to the future of humanity...

meepmorp 3y ago
I have no idea what you're talking about, or how it relates to countries spying on one another.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  "Everyone spies on everyone - so therefore its okay to do it" "We will annihilate whistleblowers when they reveal uncomfortable secrets - because thats okay to do when it suits our national interest" The whistleblowers have revealed that in fact, NO - nobody spies (violating billions of human beings' rights) at the same grandiose and extensive scale as the criminal 5-eyes coalition currently operating the worlds biggest human rights violations (GCHQ, NSA, Pine Gap, etc.)
  - cman1444 3y ago
    I wish you would be more specific about who you're referring to with the "torture palace" talk. Also, it's quite a stretch to say that privacy violations are "the world's biggest human rights violations" when there's currently much more violent things going on around the globe (genocide in Xinjiang, Sudan for example). Your comment also ignores the amount of surveillance done by other countries, notably China. Your biased are glaringly obvious by leaving that out, as it's one of the most populous countries in the world and also one of (if not the most) surveilled societies.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      Julian Assange is in the worlds most notorious torture palace, currently being chemically lobotomized. And the NSA's violations of human rights at massive scale fare outpaces anything China can do. Your whataboutism of China is noted. Americans fail consistently to take responsibility for their nations heinous and vile human rights abuses, all the while calling out 'other nations' from a position of moral authority that is just fallacious.