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Just as a counterpoint, the same games run better for me on the Linux/proton side of the same hardware. Haven't had any real issues with non-steam games either

Just as a counterpoint, the same games run better for me on the Linux/proton side of the same hardware. Haven't had any real issues with non-steam games either on my Linux desktop or my steam deck. It's interesting to note how different the experience of different users is. Makes me curious what part of the stack is causing such massively divergent outcomes. Graphics driver? Window manager? Distro defaults? Tough issue to debug. I hope someone over at Valve is studying it so the Linux experience can become better for more people.

nerdjon 3y ago
So my only real experience with linux gaming is with SteamOS and Proton. A big example of a game that I had to jump through hoops (and just gave up and switched to Windows) was Kingdom Hearts. FF14 (not through Steam) was another example of a game that I got to work fairly well, but the steps to get it working was weird and meant I lost the syncing the real launcher had. However I do want to mention that I actually did some comparisons, and at least on my steam deck I got better battery life and performance on games running on Windows 10 LTS vs the same games running on SteamOS. I didn't do extensive testing, but enough to make the choice fairly easy and remove any compatibility issues.
- daedalus_j 3y ago
  The battery life one is interesting. I haven't installed windows on my Deck, but I would certainly expect that it wouldn't be anywhere near as good at managing the battery and hardware performance. That's fascinating. Personally I've had way more trouble on the windows side, where the NVIDIA driver regularly breaks, causes wacky performance and screen tearing issues. There have been a few games where linux performance was notably worse, but mostly EA type things that eventually got fixed.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  KH is annoying, what's REALLY annoying is its not the GAME that doesn't work well with proton. It's the DRM and the launchers. You can get the Epic store versions to work but it is a bit fiddly. For KH 1.5+ 2.5 you have bypass the launcher and go to the eye directly.
smoldesu 3y ago
Additionally, LTSC is a lifeline that was designed to eventually run-out. The individuals that rely on it are in for a rude awakening when the LTS period expires. Microsoft has no interest in catering to you; they want enterprise users on metered B2B solutions, and individuals on their ad-ridden "Home" OS. If you feel insulted, the best they'll offer you is the option to buy a "Pro" license and feel even worse about yourself. If it works, it works. But LTSC users are like that meme of the smug guy on a plank, aiming at the dude who's keeping them from falling off a cliff.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  I don't understand why you are making such a critical reply. LTS versions of operating systems have been a standard thing for years. Even some Linux distros do it (did? do they still). Also a simple google search would have shown otherwise. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-client-roadmap-update-april-2023/ba-p/3805227 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/w... Windows 11 LTSC was announced for next year. Given how Windows 10 LSTC differed strongly from all of the crap they added to normal 10, right now I am leaning towards that Windows 11 will likely follow a similar cut down version of Windows without all of the crap. LTSC isn't going away, at least not right now. When it does then we can talk about Linux again but right now there is a perfectly valid option without any compatibility issues.
  - crimsontech 3y ago
    But how do you get an LTSC license for Windows as an individual?

nerdjon 3y ago

So my only real experience with linux gaming is with SteamOS and Proton. A big example of a game that I had to jump through hoops (and just gave up and switched to Windows) was Kingdom Hearts. FF14 (not through Steam) was another example of a game that I got to work fairly well, but the steps to get it working was weird and meant I lost the syncing the real launcher had. However I do want to mention that I actually did some comparisons, and at least on my steam deck I got better battery life and performance on games running on Windows 10 LTS vs the same games running on SteamOS. I didn't do extensive testing, but enough to make the choice fairly easy and remove any compatibility issues.

daedalus_j 3y ago
The battery life one is interesting. I haven't installed windows on my Deck, but I would certainly expect that it wouldn't be anywhere near as good at managing the battery and hardware performance. That's fascinating. Personally I've had way more trouble on the windows side, where the NVIDIA driver regularly breaks, causes wacky performance and screen tearing issues. There have been a few games where linux performance was notably worse, but mostly EA type things that eventually got fixed.
goosedragons 3y ago
KH is annoying, what's REALLY annoying is its not the GAME that doesn't work well with proton. It's the DRM and the launchers. You can get the Epic store versions to work but it is a bit fiddly. For KH 1.5+ 2.5 you have bypass the launcher and go to the eye directly.

smoldesu 3y ago

Additionally, LTSC is a lifeline that was designed to eventually run-out. The individuals that rely on it are in for a rude awakening when the LTS period expires. Microsoft has no interest in catering to you; they want enterprise users on metered B2B solutions, and individuals on their ad-ridden "Home" OS. If you feel insulted, the best they'll offer you is the option to buy a "Pro" license and feel even worse about yourself. If it works, it works. But LTSC users are like that meme of the smug guy on a plank, aiming at the dude who's keeping them from falling off a cliff.

nerdjon 3y ago
I don't understand why you are making such a critical reply. LTS versions of operating systems have been a standard thing for years. Even some Linux distros do it (did? do they still). Also a simple google search would have shown otherwise. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-client-roadmap-update-april-2023/ba-p/3805227 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/w... Windows 11 LTSC was announced for next year. Given how Windows 10 LSTC differed strongly from all of the crap they added to normal 10, right now I am leaning towards that Windows 11 will likely follow a similar cut down version of Windows without all of the crap. LTSC isn't going away, at least not right now. When it does then we can talk about Linux again but right now there is a perfectly valid option without any compatibility issues.
- crimsontech 3y ago
  But how do you get an LTSC license for Windows as an individual?