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they're called juniors and every other industry has seniors to help guide them and ensure they don't make major mistakes. Except in our industry. In our indus
by PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
they're called juniors and every other industry has seniors to help guide them and ensure they don't make major mistakes.
Except in our industry. In our industry the juniors often are the ones making the decisions.
- ryanmcgarvey 3y agoThat's the problem with software - it's decisions all the way down. Outside of prototyping, there's very little "work" to be done that doesn't contain some kind of systems decision.
- calvinmorrison 3y agothis can be limited though. I just went through refactoring a whole set of classes that implement the same interface, but it was not defined as an Interface. now any new class that implements this _must_ meet at least some expectations, enforced by the code. So in one way, OOP is great for limiting side effects.
- wutwutwat 3y agoSorry that you've worked for some horrible companies. What you described has not been my experience over the last 10+ years at some rather large and now public tech companies. Part of a Senior's job duties are to mentor Juniors and most job descriptions explicitly list that as an expectation of the Senior role.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agoI'm unsure as to how that disagrees with what I said.
- wutwutwat 3y ago> they're called juniors and every other industry has seniors to help guide them > Except in our industry
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agohere's what was actually said without the cherry picking > Except in our industry. In our industry the juniors OFTEN are try again.
- wutwutwat 3y agoOften make the decisions. I’m talking about mentoring. Which is what my first comment was specifically mentioning. Which was in response to the parent comment saying mentoring didn’t happen.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agothe implication of your words here is that you think juniors make decisions while seniors mentor them? I suppose for some implication is difficult to deal with so let me be explicit. there often are no seniors. A junior mentoring has another phrase. The blind leading the blind.
- wutwutwat 3y agoOmg, no, that's not what I'm saying. You said every other industry the seniors guide the jrs, except ours. I disagreed, and said it's been my experience that seniors are always mentoring jrs. That's all I was ever trying to reply
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago> You said every other industry the seniors guide the jrs, except ours. I didn't say that the first time and I didn't say that the second time when I pointed out you were cherry picking. At what point do you admit that maybe I know my point better than you and your caricature aint it?
- wutwutwat 3y agoOk, maybe learn how to say it in ways that don't read as you saying the opposite
- gonzo41 3y agoBuilding construction has been going on for ~thousands of years now. Buildings still fall down. The IT industry is doing remarkably well for its first 70 years.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agoit's not normal for buildings to fall down, they're usually purposefully pulled down. In the US buildings have to adhere to legal specifications specifically to ensure that doesn't happen.