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My decision to just stick with Windows 10 LTS version for gaming is reinforced as a good decision on a fairly regular basis at this point. My partner was on Wi

My decision to just stick with Windows 10 LTS version for gaming is reinforced as a good decision on a fairly regular basis at this point. My partner was on Windows 10 and was running into some issues with OneDrive. Apparently it just moved the entire user directory (or something like that) to OneDrive and most of his files were not local. We tried to disable OneDrive and his Desktop just disappeared. We finally just got rid of it, but it was a pain and I don't think he ever turned it on. At least not purposefully. Also please don't say to just use Proton and SteamOS for gaming. I have had enough issues with games not working under proton (Particularly if not from Steam) or updates breaking games on my Steam Deck that I also use Windows LTS on my Steam Deck most of the time now. Edit: I remember what the problem was. he ran out of space. So the service that he didn't sign up for (at least purposefully) that synced his entire home directory stopped syncing because he ran out of space on it, and his files are basically being held hostage by OneDrive.

aligray 3y ago
This has happened to me and it’s causing me a lot of headaches. Haven’t found a solution yet as I’ve not had the energy to figure it out.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  I wish I could remember exactly what I found to help you. But if I remember correctly I found a script to remove OneDrive that would first download all of the files locally.
  - HelixEndeavor 3y ago
    This sounds nightmarish. One of many reasons I refuse to sign into my Outlook account on Windows, I just know they'll use the excuse of "integration" to completely fuck up my computer with cloud bullshit. I want what's on my computer to stay on my computer, dammit.
    - aligray 3y ago
      I agree, actually it’s quite a turning point for me because I’ve always used Windows and have tried to persevere with Windows 11, but more often than not I’m feeling let down by it.
JohnTHaller 3y ago
Yeah, Windows tries to constantly trick you into using a Microsoft account and storing your Desktop, Documents, etc in OneDrive online. The reason is simple: money. When you inevitably run out of space, you can't save anything else. And you can no longer use your linked Hotmail account. I had to explain to my Dad's 80+ year old neighbor why she couldn't email photos with her kids and then try and fix the messed up Windows settings to get her back working again. This type of behavior in software is honestly evil.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  It is interesting because in many ways Apple does the same thing with Mac. They push iCloud fairly heavily. But it feels like when you need to disable it or whatever it's not jumping through hoops. If I want to disable iCloud Drive on my Mac, as long as I wasn't working out of iCloud Drive things just keep working as expected.
  - MagnumOpus 3y ago
    It is though. Take the example of the Books app on iOS. If you enable iCloud, it uploads third-party documents and books into its cloud - so far so good. If you discontinue iCloud (or even just disable the annoying upload-and-delete-local-copy for the Books app), every one of your books disappears, being held hostage by Apple. You literally have to then copy every single book that you bought elsewhere into the Books app again.
- theropost 3y ago
  This should simply be illegal. Fraud.
daedalus_j 3y ago
Just as a counterpoint, the same games run better for me on the Linux/proton side of the same hardware. Haven't had any real issues with non-steam games either on my Linux desktop or my steam deck. It's interesting to note how different the experience of different users is. Makes me curious what part of the stack is causing such massively divergent outcomes. Graphics driver? Window manager? Distro defaults? Tough issue to debug. I hope someone over at Valve is studying it so the Linux experience can become better for more people.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  So my only real experience with linux gaming is with SteamOS and Proton. A big example of a game that I had to jump through hoops (and just gave up and switched to Windows) was Kingdom Hearts. FF14 (not through Steam) was another example of a game that I got to work fairly well, but the steps to get it working was weird and meant I lost the syncing the real launcher had. However I do want to mention that I actually did some comparisons, and at least on my steam deck I got better battery life and performance on games running on Windows 10 LTS vs the same games running on SteamOS. I didn't do extensive testing, but enough to make the choice fairly easy and remove any compatibility issues.
  - daedalus_j 3y ago
    The battery life one is interesting. I haven't installed windows on my Deck, but I would certainly expect that it wouldn't be anywhere near as good at managing the battery and hardware performance. That's fascinating. Personally I've had way more trouble on the windows side, where the NVIDIA driver regularly breaks, causes wacky performance and screen tearing issues. There have been a few games where linux performance was notably worse, but mostly EA type things that eventually got fixed.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    KH is annoying, what's REALLY annoying is its not the GAME that doesn't work well with proton. It's the DRM and the launchers. You can get the Epic store versions to work but it is a bit fiddly. For KH 1.5+ 2.5 you have bypass the launcher and go to the eye directly.
dimgl 3y ago
The only reason I haven't switched to Linux as a daily driver yet is HDR. Once Linux gets HDR support I'm out. Don't care what garbage I have to deal with in the OS. Windows is freaking awful.
deergomoo 3y ago
> Apparently it just moved the entire user directory (or something like that) to OneDrive and most of his files were not local Something similar happened to my father-in-law. He called one day saying that every time he saved a file in Word, he couldn’t find it again later. It ended up being that either all his files were saving into OneDrive but the “Documents” shortcut in Explorer was the local directory, or vice versa. That was also my first experience with the god awful Save dialog in recent versions of Office. You can’t just upend where something as critical as where someone’s files end up, especially not for non-technical users. It’s absurdly bad.

aligray 3y ago

This has happened to me and it’s causing me a lot of headaches. Haven’t found a solution yet as I’ve not had the energy to figure it out.

nerdjon 3y ago
I wish I could remember exactly what I found to help you. But if I remember correctly I found a script to remove OneDrive that would first download all of the files locally.
- HelixEndeavor 3y ago
  This sounds nightmarish. One of many reasons I refuse to sign into my Outlook account on Windows, I just know they'll use the excuse of "integration" to completely fuck up my computer with cloud bullshit. I want what's on my computer to stay on my computer, dammit.
  - aligray 3y ago
    I agree, actually it’s quite a turning point for me because I’ve always used Windows and have tried to persevere with Windows 11, but more often than not I’m feeling let down by it.

JohnTHaller 3y ago

Yeah, Windows tries to constantly trick you into using a Microsoft account and storing your Desktop, Documents, etc in OneDrive online. The reason is simple: money. When you inevitably run out of space, you can't save anything else. And you can no longer use your linked Hotmail account. I had to explain to my Dad's 80+ year old neighbor why she couldn't email photos with her kids and then try and fix the messed up Windows settings to get her back working again. This type of behavior in software is honestly evil.

nerdjon 3y ago
It is interesting because in many ways Apple does the same thing with Mac. They push iCloud fairly heavily. But it feels like when you need to disable it or whatever it's not jumping through hoops. If I want to disable iCloud Drive on my Mac, as long as I wasn't working out of iCloud Drive things just keep working as expected.
- MagnumOpus 3y ago
  It is though. Take the example of the Books app on iOS. If you enable iCloud, it uploads third-party documents and books into its cloud - so far so good. If you discontinue iCloud (or even just disable the annoying upload-and-delete-local-copy for the Books app), every one of your books disappears, being held hostage by Apple. You literally have to then copy every single book that you bought elsewhere into the Books app again.
theropost 3y ago
This should simply be illegal. Fraud.

daedalus_j 3y ago

Just as a counterpoint, the same games run better for me on the Linux/proton side of the same hardware. Haven't had any real issues with non-steam games either on my Linux desktop or my steam deck. It's interesting to note how different the experience of different users is. Makes me curious what part of the stack is causing such massively divergent outcomes. Graphics driver? Window manager? Distro defaults? Tough issue to debug. I hope someone over at Valve is studying it so the Linux experience can become better for more people.

nerdjon 3y ago
So my only real experience with linux gaming is with SteamOS and Proton. A big example of a game that I had to jump through hoops (and just gave up and switched to Windows) was Kingdom Hearts. FF14 (not through Steam) was another example of a game that I got to work fairly well, but the steps to get it working was weird and meant I lost the syncing the real launcher had. However I do want to mention that I actually did some comparisons, and at least on my steam deck I got better battery life and performance on games running on Windows 10 LTS vs the same games running on SteamOS. I didn't do extensive testing, but enough to make the choice fairly easy and remove any compatibility issues.
- daedalus_j 3y ago
  The battery life one is interesting. I haven't installed windows on my Deck, but I would certainly expect that it wouldn't be anywhere near as good at managing the battery and hardware performance. That's fascinating. Personally I've had way more trouble on the windows side, where the NVIDIA driver regularly breaks, causes wacky performance and screen tearing issues. There have been a few games where linux performance was notably worse, but mostly EA type things that eventually got fixed.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  KH is annoying, what's REALLY annoying is its not the GAME that doesn't work well with proton. It's the DRM and the launchers. You can get the Epic store versions to work but it is a bit fiddly. For KH 1.5+ 2.5 you have bypass the launcher and go to the eye directly.

dimgl 3y ago

The only reason I haven't switched to Linux as a daily driver yet is HDR. Once Linux gets HDR support I'm out. Don't care what garbage I have to deal with in the OS. Windows is freaking awful.

deergomoo 3y ago

> Apparently it just moved the entire user directory (or something like that) to OneDrive and most of his files were not local Something similar happened to my father-in-law. He called one day saying that every time he saved a file in Word, he couldn’t find it again later. It ended up being that either all his files were saving into OneDrive but the “Documents” shortcut in Explorer was the local directory, or vice versa. That was also my first experience with the god awful Save dialog in recent versions of Office. You can’t just upend where something as critical as where someone’s files end up, especially not for non-technical users. It’s absurdly bad.