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> I wish I could understand why product managers come up with these ideas and developers implement them. To become Senior Product Managers. You can't advance y

> I wish I could understand why product managers come up with these ideas and developers implement them. To become Senior Product Managers. You can't advance your career without putting your mark on the product.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Isn't that supposed to be a positive mark? "Yeah, he ruined the product, let's promote him to Senior Product Manager" is not a thing that people say very often.
- waynesonfire 3y ago
  The next guy that reverts the feature gets the promotion. And so the wheel turns.
- projektfu 3y ago
  I get it, there's usually another metric that's at fault. Increasing Edge browser use by underhanded techniques on every install is easier than convincing users to install it. Boosting MSN hits by having a hundred million computers constantly downloading content is easier than making content people share. But the net result is going to be more of us opting out. It's a real Yahoo approach.
  - namlem 3y ago
    The sad thing is, aside from the feature bloat, Edge is actually very good in terms of performance. And it has genuinely useful features like vertical tabs, workspaces, etc.
    - projektfu 3y ago
      Agree. I put up with it on Windows in spite of its flaws for that reason. It's frustrating that many of the little "features" you have to disable are not considered part of your profile so you log into a different computer and you have Bing again. At least they made the new tab settings sticky.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  But this person gets to give a presentation to leadership about the reasons users disable OneDrive and propose am ambitious plan to improve it. Users filling up their OneDrive means more money while probably not only a tiny minority will move away from Windows because of stuff like this. The cost of moving to a new OS you aren't used to is huge for most users.
- hbosch 3y ago
  It's not "he ruined the product", it's "he shipped what leadership wanted". And yes, it gets rewarded all the time. Besides, 'good' is a matter of perspective... if this reduced app closes by even 1% there are lots of people who see that as successful.
- nullindividual 3y ago
  > Isn't that supposed to be a positive mark? As long as it is positive to the person who writes your cheques, does it matter? Six to twelve months after you've left, that 'feature' is unceremoniously killed, like so many of these little features in Windows has over the years, such as Active Desktop -- who didn't want a <blink><marquee> webpage embedded as their desktop?
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > As long as it is positive to the person who writes your cheques, does it matter? I guess that depends on whether or not you value taking pride in your work.
    - nullindividual 3y ago
      If you can afford to make that call, more power to you. Most people can't -- most are told what to do.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

Isn't that supposed to be a positive mark? "Yeah, he ruined the product, let's promote him to Senior Product Manager" is not a thing that people say very often.

waynesonfire 3y ago
The next guy that reverts the feature gets the promotion. And so the wheel turns.
projektfu 3y ago
I get it, there's usually another metric that's at fault. Increasing Edge browser use by underhanded techniques on every install is easier than convincing users to install it. Boosting MSN hits by having a hundred million computers constantly downloading content is easier than making content people share. But the net result is going to be more of us opting out. It's a real Yahoo approach.
- namlem 3y ago
  The sad thing is, aside from the feature bloat, Edge is actually very good in terms of performance. And it has genuinely useful features like vertical tabs, workspaces, etc.
  - projektfu 3y ago
    Agree. I put up with it on Windows in spite of its flaws for that reason. It's frustrating that many of the little "features" you have to disable are not considered part of your profile so you log into a different computer and you have Bing again. At least they made the new tab settings sticky.
ajmurmann 3y ago
But this person gets to give a presentation to leadership about the reasons users disable OneDrive and propose am ambitious plan to improve it. Users filling up their OneDrive means more money while probably not only a tiny minority will move away from Windows because of stuff like this. The cost of moving to a new OS you aren't used to is huge for most users.
hbosch 3y ago
It's not "he ruined the product", it's "he shipped what leadership wanted". And yes, it gets rewarded all the time. Besides, 'good' is a matter of perspective... if this reduced app closes by even 1% there are lots of people who see that as successful.
nullindividual 3y ago
> Isn't that supposed to be a positive mark? As long as it is positive to the person who writes your cheques, does it matter? Six to twelve months after you've left, that 'feature' is unceremoniously killed, like so many of these little features in Windows has over the years, such as Active Desktop -- who didn't want a <blink><marquee> webpage embedded as their desktop?
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > As long as it is positive to the person who writes your cheques, does it matter? I guess that depends on whether or not you value taking pride in your work.
  - nullindividual 3y ago
    If you can afford to make that call, more power to you. Most people can't -- most are told what to do.