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Apple works unless you need something specific that every other devices supports but apple doesn't. I've never had a great experience with any laptop but at le

by graphe 3y ago

Apple works unless you need something specific that every other devices supports but apple doesn't. I've never had a great experience with any laptop but at least I can't say I didn't get screwed on the price most of the time (non apple times). Who remembers how apple didn't admit or fix the Nvidia GPU on their laptop for years but it was easy to just get a new ipod?

stalfosknight 3y ago
That nVidia GPU issue was a design flaw on nVidia's part that nVidia refused to take responsibility for. The problem is that normal use and wear and tear over time would lead to the GPU physically failing, leading to a non-bootable system and necessitating a whole new logic board. Apple had a long standing special service program of covering (very expensive) logic board replacements for all of those MacBook Pros that were usually well out of of warranty¹ because Apple gave a damn about making it right whereas nVidia refused to even acknowledge the issue. Source: I was a Mac Genius at an Apple Store from 2008 to 2013. 1) https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/20/apple-ends-2011-macbook-pro-repair-program/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/20/apple-ends-2011-macbook...
- graphe 3y ago
  Apple was supposed to vet them. I expect that answer from razer. Only took a few years for them to admit it failed under normal use, by that time it was long outdated. I don't pretend waiting at the apple store is a luxury anymore. The brand is tainted to me.
  - mastercheif 3y ago
    Dell, HP, and Compaq were also affected by the issue. The issue was with the die packaging, nearly impossible to catch post-production. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settles-faulty-processor-suit-dell-hp-compaq-mac.html https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settle...
kkielhofner 3y ago
I’m not going to universally defend Apple (because no one can) but when you have to go back 10 years to come up with an example that as other commenters have noted was a supplier issue it’s not as strong an argument as you may think.
- graphe 3y ago
  It was my last relationship with a new Mac, and it will remain that way. Why you want to attack my experience I'm uncertain.
  - kkielhofner 3y ago
    I'm not attacking your experience, in the end you got burnt by this (regardless of who was at fault) and that was your experience. That's fair. That said, as other commenters have noted it wasn't an Apple issue. Nvidia shirked responsibility and Apple stepped up. This is one of the examples where Apple has earned their reputation for user experience and overall "premium" brand halo. They took the loss and replaced any failures related to this fiasco for six years - well beyond the standard warranty period. In another comment I noted my very poor experience with Framework. It was so bad I basically do what you do and trash them at every opportunity - to me they deserve it. You obviously feel the same way from your Apple experience. The difference is in my case they took no responsibility whatsoever and I'm left with a nearly-useless $3k machine. That's buying first gen hardware from a startup for you, and I should have known better. You bought hardware from a leading and well established brand where this never should have happened. That's far worse. I mentioned the ten years because a decade in the life of a tech company that has sold billions of devices across multiple product lines and generations in the meantime is (in my mind) a pretty weak argument and borderline irrational stance. You're holding on to a decade old grudge against a brand that has famously happy, dedicated, and loyal users. Apple isn't the most valuable company in the world because your experience is anywhere near typical. I would hope that in ten years time (or sooner) I will have gotten over my issues with Framework (if they're still around) and would be willing to try them again. I guess we'll see if I'm able to let it go by then.
    - 3y ago

by graphe 3y ago

stalfosknight 3y ago

That nVidia GPU issue was a design flaw on nVidia's part that nVidia refused to take responsibility for. The problem is that normal use and wear and tear over time would lead to the GPU physically failing, leading to a non-bootable system and necessitating a whole new logic board. Apple had a long standing special service program of covering (very expensive) logic board replacements for all of those MacBook Pros that were usually well out of of warranty¹ because Apple gave a damn about making it right whereas nVidia refused to even acknowledge the issue. Source: I was a Mac Genius at an Apple Store from 2008 to 2013. 1) https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/20/apple-ends-2011-macbook-pro-repair-program/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/20/apple-ends-2011-macbook...

graphe 3y ago
Apple was supposed to vet them. I expect that answer from razer. Only took a few years for them to admit it failed under normal use, by that time it was long outdated. I don't pretend waiting at the apple store is a luxury anymore. The brand is tainted to me.
- mastercheif 3y ago
  Dell, HP, and Compaq were also affected by the issue. The issue was with the die packaging, nearly impossible to catch post-production. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settles-faulty-processor-suit-dell-hp-compaq-mac.html https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settle...

kkielhofner 3y ago

I’m not going to universally defend Apple (because no one can) but when you have to go back 10 years to come up with an example that as other commenters have noted was a supplier issue it’s not as strong an argument as you may think.

graphe 3y ago
It was my last relationship with a new Mac, and it will remain that way. Why you want to attack my experience I'm uncertain.
- kkielhofner 3y ago
  I'm not attacking your experience, in the end you got burnt by this (regardless of who was at fault) and that was your experience. That's fair. That said, as other commenters have noted it wasn't an Apple issue. Nvidia shirked responsibility and Apple stepped up. This is one of the examples where Apple has earned their reputation for user experience and overall "premium" brand halo. They took the loss and replaced any failures related to this fiasco for six years - well beyond the standard warranty period. In another comment I noted my very poor experience with Framework. It was so bad I basically do what you do and trash them at every opportunity - to me they deserve it. You obviously feel the same way from your Apple experience. The difference is in my case they took no responsibility whatsoever and I'm left with a nearly-useless $3k machine. That's buying first gen hardware from a startup for you, and I should have known better. You bought hardware from a leading and well established brand where this never should have happened. That's far worse. I mentioned the ten years because a decade in the life of a tech company that has sold billions of devices across multiple product lines and generations in the meantime is (in my mind) a pretty weak argument and borderline irrational stance. You're holding on to a decade old grudge against a brand that has famously happy, dedicated, and loyal users. Apple isn't the most valuable company in the world because your experience is anywhere near typical. I would hope that in ten years time (or sooner) I will have gotten over my issues with Framework (if they're still around) and would be willing to try them again. I guess we'll see if I'm able to let it go by then.
  - 3y ago