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>Something so basic as moving a file between two directories. Can you Command-X, Command-V it? No. Hehe. Skill issue. Cmd+C puts it on the pasteboard, (doesn'

>Something so basic as moving a file between two directories. Can you Command-X, Command-V it? No. Hehe. Skill issue. Cmd+C puts it on the pasteboard, (doesn't matter whether you want to move it or copy it) Cmd+Option+V moves to destination Cmd+V copies to destination

sco1 3y ago
lol, I've been using Apple laptops for 15 years and had no idea this was a thing. All this time I've just copy+pasted and then gone back to the source folder to delete the original.
- meindnoch 3y ago
  Yikes. Grandma, is that you?
java-man 3y ago
But put the dedicated item in the menu? No way!
- meindnoch 3y ago
  It has a dedicated item in the Edit menu, that becomes visible when you press the Option key. This is a well-known macOS idiom. Homework exercise: go through various macOS apps' menus and see what happens if you hold the Option key.
reitanqild 3y ago
So intuitive. Different shortcuts from app to app. Back when I used Mac last time it frustrated me to no end that the simple system that works everywhere on Windows and Linux: - home / end for start / end of line - arrow left /right to move one character at at time - ctrl to move one word at a time - shift combines nicely with all these in case you need to select the text you move across while on Mac of course home and end doesn't exist (bonus point for there being two keys there that could have been home and end or page up and page down, but that even the most dyed in the wool Mac users I know cannot explain what they are for) and while I think it is rather consistent now, back then it wasn't consistent that CMD - arrow worked like home or end. There were different shortcuts from app to app and today I have learned that even the one shortcut I thought was consistent from app tp app on Mac, CMD-X, CMD-C and CMD-V aren't consistent as Finder isn't lacking CMD-x, they have just decided to do it differently so you use CMD-shift-V instead to paste by cutting (?), breaking to consistency even of that. It is like the (effective, not written) building regulations in my area: Just make sure your house doesn't look similar to any other house in the area and you should be good. And yet I have asked for a Macbook for my new laptop. After 10 years I just had to try. The last one was fantastic, only the OS was rage inducing even after 3 years. This time however I have done my homework. I have a Mac mini, I have checked that the fn and ctrl key can now be put in their correct positions and there now exist a way to fix CMD-tab so it does the only logical and sane thing: switches between the last windows. Still: wish me luck.
- codetrotter 3y ago
  > while on Mac of course home and end doesn't exist Many apps that I use the most support Ctrl+A to go to start of line, Ctrl+E to go to end of line. On macOS. Try it in a few apps.
  - _Algernon_ 3y ago
    What are the equivalents for Ctrl+Home (Go to start of file) and Ctrl+End (Go to end of file?) Or Ctrl+Shift+Home / Ctrl+Shift+End to select from cursor to begin / end of file?
    - meindnoch 3y ago
      https://jblevins.org/log/kbd https://jblevins.org/log/kbd
    - qbrass 3y ago
      Cmd+Up or Down arrow to move to the beginning or end. Cmd+Shift+Up or Down to select. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 for the rest of the shortcut keys.
  - andrelaszlo 3y ago
    That's a little thing that I enjoy! I discovered it by accident because of my Emacs fingers.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  > correct positions and there now exist a way to fix CMD-tab so it does the only logical and sane thing: switches between the last windows. Hahahahah no. Even if you use Kaliber or remap keys natively, and somehow manage to get this to work, it won’t work all the time. And if you switch between external and internal keyboards (like, when you take your laptop to a coffee shop), forget it.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  > So intuitive. > Different shortcuts from app to app. Hello, shift+insert, anyone?
pests 3y ago
On Windows you would Cut (Cmd+X) then Paste to move the file. Once Cut, the file is in a grayed out state until it leaves the clipboard.
- meindnoch 3y ago
  Yes. But this is Mac, not Windows. You don't decide upfront what you're going to do with the file.
alpaca128 3y ago
Cmd+X works in all text fields. Is stubbornly holding on to being different really worth the frustration for every newcomer as well as the inconsistency between files and text? Even worse: There isn't even a clickable context menu entry for moving files instead of copying them, which further means the keyboard shortcut isn't displayed anywhere obvious either. For each well thought-out detail Mac OS has at least one feature that just makes you scratch your head and ask yourself if this was really intentional.
- meindnoch 3y ago
  It's two different things. Cmd+X removes the text, and puts it on the pasteboard. If you change your mind and copy something else before pasting the Cmd+X-ed text somewhere, the text is lost. On the other hand, when you move a file, it stays in the original location right until you paste it in the new location. If you change your mind, and copy something else without pasting the first file, the file is not lost.
  - alpaca128 3y ago
    Then name the feature "mark for move" in the case of files. Problem solved. In my experience no Windows user able to use keyboard shortcuts for copying files has an issue with this difference.
    - meindnoch 3y ago
      >Problem solved. But there is no problem. This is how the macOS file manager have always been working. If you prefer how it worked on Windows, why did you switch to macOS? When you visit a foreign country, do you go around and tell people how they do things all wrong because it's different from your home country? Isn't that entitled a bit?
      - alpaca128 3y ago
        What I mean is Apple could add the Cmd-X shortcut and its behaviour with zero compromise for the existing functionality, making it consistent with all other desktop operating systems and in turn making Mac OS more beginner friendly. They could just add it and users like you wouldn't even notice. > When you visit a foreign country, do you go around and tell people how they do things all wrong because it's different from your home country? This is software, not a cultural tradition, and I claim that asking a corporation with 160k employees for a simple feature that exists everywhere else is not entitled.
andrelaszlo 3y ago
Great, thanks for easing the pain :D

sco1 3y ago

lol, I've been using Apple laptops for 15 years and had no idea this was a thing. All this time I've just copy+pasted and then gone back to the source folder to delete the original.

meindnoch 3y ago
Yikes. Grandma, is that you?

java-man 3y ago

But put the dedicated item in the menu? No way!

meindnoch 3y ago
It has a dedicated item in the Edit menu, that becomes visible when you press the Option key. This is a well-known macOS idiom. Homework exercise: go through various macOS apps' menus and see what happens if you hold the Option key.

reitanqild 3y ago

So intuitive. Different shortcuts from app to app. Back when I used Mac last time it frustrated me to no end that the simple system that works everywhere on Windows and Linux: - home / end for start / end of line - arrow left /right to move one character at at time - ctrl to move one word at a time - shift combines nicely with all these in case you need to select the text you move across while on Mac of course home and end doesn't exist (bonus point for there being two keys there that could have been home and end or page up and page down, but that even the most dyed in the wool Mac users I know cannot explain what they are for) and while I think it is rather consistent now, back then it wasn't consistent that CMD - arrow worked like home or end. There were different shortcuts from app to app and today I have learned that even the one shortcut I thought was consistent from app tp app on Mac, CMD-X, CMD-C and CMD-V aren't consistent as Finder isn't lacking CMD-x, they have just decided to do it differently so you use CMD-shift-V instead to paste by cutting (?), breaking to consistency even of that. It is like the (effective, not written) building regulations in my area: Just make sure your house doesn't look similar to any other house in the area and you should be good. And yet I have asked for a Macbook for my new laptop. After 10 years I just had to try. The last one was fantastic, only the OS was rage inducing even after 3 years. This time however I have done my homework. I have a Mac mini, I have checked that the fn and ctrl key can now be put in their correct positions and there now exist a way to fix CMD-tab so it does the only logical and sane thing: switches between the last windows. Still: wish me luck.

codetrotter 3y ago
> while on Mac of course home and end doesn't exist Many apps that I use the most support Ctrl+A to go to start of line, Ctrl+E to go to end of line. On macOS. Try it in a few apps.
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  What are the equivalents for Ctrl+Home (Go to start of file) and Ctrl+End (Go to end of file?) Or Ctrl+Shift+Home / Ctrl+Shift+End to select from cursor to begin / end of file?
  - meindnoch 3y ago
    https://jblevins.org/log/kbd https://jblevins.org/log/kbd
  - qbrass 3y ago
    Cmd+Up or Down arrow to move to the beginning or end. Cmd+Shift+Up or Down to select. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 for the rest of the shortcut keys.
- andrelaszlo 3y ago
  That's a little thing that I enjoy! I discovered it by accident because of my Emacs fingers.
TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
> correct positions and there now exist a way to fix CMD-tab so it does the only logical and sane thing: switches between the last windows. Hahahahah no. Even if you use Kaliber or remap keys natively, and somehow manage to get this to work, it won’t work all the time. And if you switch between external and internal keyboards (like, when you take your laptop to a coffee shop), forget it.
rad_gruchalski 3y ago
> So intuitive. > Different shortcuts from app to app. Hello, shift+insert, anyone?

pests 3y ago

On Windows you would Cut (Cmd+X) then Paste to move the file. Once Cut, the file is in a grayed out state until it leaves the clipboard.

meindnoch 3y ago
Yes. But this is Mac, not Windows. You don't decide upfront what you're going to do with the file.

alpaca128 3y ago

Cmd+X works in all text fields. Is stubbornly holding on to being different really worth the frustration for every newcomer as well as the inconsistency between files and text? Even worse: There isn't even a clickable context menu entry for moving files instead of copying them, which further means the keyboard shortcut isn't displayed anywhere obvious either. For each well thought-out detail Mac OS has at least one feature that just makes you scratch your head and ask yourself if this was really intentional.

meindnoch 3y ago
It's two different things. Cmd+X removes the text, and puts it on the pasteboard. If you change your mind and copy something else before pasting the Cmd+X-ed text somewhere, the text is lost. On the other hand, when you move a file, it stays in the original location right until you paste it in the new location. If you change your mind, and copy something else without pasting the first file, the file is not lost.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  Then name the feature "mark for move" in the case of files. Problem solved. In my experience no Windows user able to use keyboard shortcuts for copying files has an issue with this difference.
  - meindnoch 3y ago
    >Problem solved. But there is no problem. This is how the macOS file manager have always been working. If you prefer how it worked on Windows, why did you switch to macOS? When you visit a foreign country, do you go around and tell people how they do things all wrong because it's different from your home country? Isn't that entitled a bit?
    - alpaca128 3y ago
      What I mean is Apple could add the Cmd-X shortcut and its behaviour with zero compromise for the existing functionality, making it consistent with all other desktop operating systems and in turn making Mac OS more beginner friendly. They could just add it and users like you wouldn't even notice. > When you visit a foreign country, do you go around and tell people how they do things all wrong because it's different from your home country? This is software, not a cultural tradition, and I claim that asking a corporation with 160k employees for a simple feature that exists everywhere else is not entitled.

andrelaszlo 3y ago

Great, thanks for easing the pain :D