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I noticed Palestine is not there. I’m a bit short on time but I’m curious if an internet archive shows whether this change is recent. Does anyone have a moment

I noticed Palestine is not there. I’m a bit short on time but I’m curious if an internet archive shows whether this change is recent. Does anyone have a moment to check?

brirec 3y ago
I don’t think the CIA has ever recognized Palestine as a country.
- mattnewton 3y ago
  I assume that public recognition is important to diplomacy and therefore left to the state department to decide.
  - user982 3y ago
    The State Department (https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-may-10-2021/ https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-ma...): QUESTION: Do Palestinians have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I’m – in – broadly speaking, Said, we believe in the concept of self-defense. We believe it applies to any state. [...] QUESTION: Do [you] regard Palestine as a state? [...] You don’t in the context of the ICC and the UN. So are you saying that you do not – if it applies to any state, are you saying the Palestinians don’t have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I was making a broader point not attached to Israel or the Palestinians in that case. QUESTION: So they do have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I’m not in a position to debate the legalities from up here.
dabluecaboose 3y ago
Taiwan is also not listed. I'd be inclined to believe the list is only countries that the US officially recognizes.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Taiwan is listed. https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/taiwan https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governme...
  - dabluecaboose 3y ago
    Whoops, that scrolling header must've covered it up on my end. Disregard!
bre1010 3y ago
Looking at Wayback Machine snapshot from April 26, 2023. https://web.archive.org/web/20230426020715/https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230426020715/https://www.cia.g... This is tough because it seems like they're just using javascript to populate this page. So when you click the P filter or the Next arrow, nothing happens. However I don't think Palestine was listed then either because both the snapshot and current version say that there are 199 results.
- thedaly 3y ago
  Clicking the P works for me. https://web.archive.org/web/20210119214901/https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210119214901/https://www.cia.g...
  - bre1010 3y ago
    Hah, apparently my adblocker is over-aggressive. Thanks
borski 3y ago
Page has only existed since 2021, and has never listed a “Palestine” While the U.S. does not recognize the State of Palestine, it recognizes the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the legitimate representative entity for the Palestinian people; following the Oslo Accords, it recognized the Palestinian National Authority as the legitimate Palestinian government of the Palestinian territories.
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presidentender 3y ago
Going back to the earliest archive.org capture of this site, Palestine is absent.
phlip9 3y ago
They're listed separately as West Bank and Gaza Strip
howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
Because the US does not recognize Palestine as a state and will not do so until Palestine recognizes Israel as a state. This is the so-called, "two state solution" that the Abraham Accords held promise of bring to reality. One hopes that train can get back on track.
- ickelbawd 3y ago
  What utter hypocrisy. Does Israel recognize Palestine as a state? I think not. Not surprising of course. The US has always been biased in Israels’ favor.
  - lazide 3y ago
    Near as I can tell, pretty much everyone (especially their neighboring countries) hates the Palestinians. They're basically the Roma/Travelers (but in one place) of the middle east. Fair/equitable? Probably not. But good luck trying to guilt anyone out of changing their minds on the topic after they've spent awhile next to them. If someone is going to pick a country to beat up on, hard to pick an easier target.
    - enterprise_cog 3y ago
      The US puppets in charge of those places may hate Palestinians. But the Arab populations do not.
      - lazide 3y ago
        Literally every neighboring country has been refusing to take Palestinian refugees. The last time Lebanon let a bunch in, they had a civil war. The neighboring Arab countries seem to hate them at least as much, if not more, than anyone else. They come up with other nominal reasons, but it's pretty clear when you look at the policies.
        enterprise_cog 3y ago

I noticed Palestine is not there. I’m a bit short on time but I’m curious if an internet archive shows whether this change is recent. Does anyone have a moment to check?

brirec 3y ago

I don’t think the CIA has ever recognized Palestine as a country.

mattnewton 3y ago
I assume that public recognition is important to diplomacy and therefore left to the state department to decide.
- user982 3y ago
  The State Department (https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-may-10-2021/ https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-ma...): QUESTION: Do Palestinians have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I’m – in – broadly speaking, Said, we believe in the concept of self-defense. We believe it applies to any state. [...] QUESTION: Do [you] regard Palestine as a state? [...] You don’t in the context of the ICC and the UN. So are you saying that you do not – if it applies to any state, are you saying the Palestinians don’t have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I was making a broader point not attached to Israel or the Palestinians in that case. QUESTION: So they do have a right to self-defense? MR PRICE: I’m not in a position to debate the legalities from up here.

dabluecaboose 3y ago

Taiwan is also not listed. I'd be inclined to believe the list is only countries that the US officially recognizes.

kube-system 3y ago
Taiwan is listed. https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/taiwan https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governme...
- dabluecaboose 3y ago
  Whoops, that scrolling header must've covered it up on my end. Disregard!

bre1010 3y ago

Looking at Wayback Machine snapshot from April 26, 2023. https://web.archive.org/web/20230426020715/https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230426020715/https://www.cia.g... This is tough because it seems like they're just using javascript to populate this page. So when you click the P filter or the Next arrow, nothing happens. However I don't think Palestine was listed then either because both the snapshot and current version say that there are 199 results.

thedaly 3y ago
Clicking the P works for me. https://web.archive.org/web/20210119214901/https://www.cia.gov/resources/world-leaders/foreign-governments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210119214901/https://www.cia.g...
- bre1010 3y ago
  Hah, apparently my adblocker is over-aggressive. Thanks

borski 3y ago

Page has only existed since 2021, and has never listed a “Palestine” While the U.S. does not recognize the State of Palestine, it recognizes the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the legitimate representative entity for the Palestinian people; following the Oslo Accords, it recognized the Palestinian National Authority as the legitimate Palestinian government of the Palestinian territories.

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presidentender 3y ago

Going back to the earliest archive.org capture of this site, Palestine is absent.

phlip9 3y ago

They're listed separately as West Bank and Gaza Strip

howmayiannoyyou 3y ago

Because the US does not recognize Palestine as a state and will not do so until Palestine recognizes Israel as a state. This is the so-called, "two state solution" that the Abraham Accords held promise of bring to reality. One hopes that train can get back on track.

ickelbawd 3y ago
What utter hypocrisy. Does Israel recognize Palestine as a state? I think not. Not surprising of course. The US has always been biased in Israels’ favor.
- lazide 3y ago
  Near as I can tell, pretty much everyone (especially their neighboring countries) hates the Palestinians. They're basically the Roma/Travelers (but in one place) of the middle east. Fair/equitable? Probably not. But good luck trying to guilt anyone out of changing their minds on the topic after they've spent awhile next to them. If someone is going to pick a country to beat up on, hard to pick an easier target.
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    The US puppets in charge of those places may hate Palestinians. But the Arab populations do not.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Literally every neighboring country has been refusing to take Palestinian refugees. The last time Lebanon let a bunch in, they had a civil war. The neighboring Arab countries seem to hate them at least as much, if not more, than anyone else. They come up with other nominal reasons, but it's pretty clear when you look at the policies.
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago