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"disinformation" is protected first amendment speech. Who decides what's "disinformation"? You don't want it to be the government or anyone really to decide wh

"disinformation" is protected first amendment speech. Who decides what's "disinformation"? You don't want it to be the government or anyone really to decide what you can or cannot read? You battle bad speech with good speech.

aaroninsf 3y ago
False, you meaning all of us do want a government that takes active measures to prevent weaponized speech. That we don't have a Constitutional framework for distinguishing this is the same sort of catastrophic zero day in our democracy that the comically shitty second amendment language is. That these are unpatchable is a consequence of and overwhelmingly serves bad actors, specifically, right wing antidemocratic bad faith actors, and operates in no small part over the "free speech" being mechanically reproduced by they and their allies in such lovely institutions as the GRU and other centers of literally anti-American memetic warfare.
- analognoise 3y ago
  If people are dumb enough to succumb to “memetic warfare” (whatever that is) we deserve to lose. I would rather have the “threat” of having to actually convince people we’re right rather than have the government tell people something can’t be said. That’s far more horrifying. People are allowed to be wrong. They’re people. They disagree. If our society is so weak it crumbles when people hear certain things, it deserves to crumble. I don’t think it is and I don’t think we will, however.
kelseyfrog 3y ago
Lies spread faster than truth and repetition legitimizes, repetition legitimizes, repetition legitimizes. Those two axioms are enough to guarantee that, all things being equal, lies will be legitimated over truth. I''ll graciously ask for proof that truth is born out of debate in greater than 50% of cases and baring evidence, cannot take it to be true.
- nathanaldensr 3y ago
  Regardless of your personal perspective on the definition of "truth," the issue here is not said definition but the First Amendment.
  - kelseyfrog 3y ago
    "Lies spread faster than truth" does not depend on my definition of truth nor does it depend on the 1st amendment, sorry. It's perfectly fine to prioritize free speech protection over lies, but it's delusional (though everyone's right) to believe that we can have both. It's simply not based in reality. More power to those who stick by their principles.

aaroninsf 3y ago

False, you meaning all of us do want a government that takes active measures to prevent weaponized speech. That we don't have a Constitutional framework for distinguishing this is the same sort of catastrophic zero day in our democracy that the comically shitty second amendment language is. That these are unpatchable is a consequence of and overwhelmingly serves bad actors, specifically, right wing antidemocratic bad faith actors, and operates in no small part over the "free speech" being mechanically reproduced by they and their allies in such lovely institutions as the GRU and other centers of literally anti-American memetic warfare.

analognoise 3y ago
If people are dumb enough to succumb to “memetic warfare” (whatever that is) we deserve to lose. I would rather have the “threat” of having to actually convince people we’re right rather than have the government tell people something can’t be said. That’s far more horrifying. People are allowed to be wrong. They’re people. They disagree. If our society is so weak it crumbles when people hear certain things, it deserves to crumble. I don’t think it is and I don’t think we will, however.

kelseyfrog 3y ago

Lies spread faster than truth and repetition legitimizes, repetition legitimizes, repetition legitimizes. Those two axioms are enough to guarantee that, all things being equal, lies will be legitimated over truth. I''ll graciously ask for proof that truth is born out of debate in greater than 50% of cases and baring evidence, cannot take it to be true.

nathanaldensr 3y ago
Regardless of your personal perspective on the definition of "truth," the issue here is not said definition but the First Amendment.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  "Lies spread faster than truth" does not depend on my definition of truth nor does it depend on the 1st amendment, sorry. It's perfectly fine to prioritize free speech protection over lies, but it's delusional (though everyone's right) to believe that we can have both. It's simply not based in reality. More power to those who stick by their principles.