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Israel is much less sadistic in their killing methods than Palestine (read torture and mutilation). One hypothesis is they're trying to convince people otherwis

Israel is much less sadistic in their killing methods than Palestine (read torture and mutilation). One hypothesis is they're trying to convince people otherwise. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas_attack_on_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas_attack_on_Israel

theossuary 3y ago
As apposed to being buried under ruble for days slowly dying of dehydration while dealing with the excruciating pain of your injuries? Honestly think I'd rather die by Hamas' hands if I had a choice.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I wouldn't. Seeing my family tortured in front of me? I'd take the ruble of concrete.
- emptyfile 3y ago
  Raped to death? Burned alive?
giraffe_lady 3y ago
You can only think this because their methods are our methods. Bringing buildings down around children letting them die by the thousands of dehydration and inadequate medical care while the survivors watch is as horrific as anything could be.
megous 3y ago
Yeah? Go to dead_terrorists on telegram and read some comments there, if you want to see Israel's sadism.
dragonwriter 3y ago
Israel is not exactly known for eschewing the use of torture, historically or currently. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  The documentation linked for torture on that press release (SUMMARY OF VIOLATIONS OF THE CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE) says: "Most frequently such torture or other ill-treatment takes the form of beatings: many detainees have described being beaten with gun butts immediately after arrest and then thrown on the floor of a jeep, where they lie during the journey under the boots of soldiers. It may also involve the use of dogs in an aggressive manner, painful shackling (if related to an arrest) or humiliating or degrading treatment." Having been to Brazilian prison (and being under Brazil's jurisdiction) I wouldn't classify this as torture, otherwise my brother was also tortured when arrested for drug trafficking. I wouldn't say this type of violence is as shocking as Hamas is, too.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Having been to Brazilian prison I wouldn't classify this as torture, otherwise my brother was also tortured when arrested for drug trafficking. So, either Israel doesn't torture or someone in prison for drug trafficking in a system in which torture is a well-known (and apparently, from polling, widely publicly accepted!) systemic feature of the law enforcement and prison system [0] was tortured? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_Brazil
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      I think there's a difference between mutilating someone's limbs and hitting them with the back of a gun and UN's definition doesn't accurately describe that difference.
      - giraffe_lady 3y ago
        Have you experienced any of these things or witnessed them up close? I think one big thing the waterboarding era should have taught us that it's hard to accurately gauge the horror of a technique from a distance. And that torturers take advantage of this tension.
bjourne 3y ago
I'm not so sure about that. https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusing-bodies-palestinian-fighters/39731 https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusi...
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I said "Israel is much less sadistic in their killing methods", none of these videos address my claim. They're either dead terrorists/fighters being defiled or not being killed.

theossuary 3y ago

As apposed to being buried under ruble for days slowly dying of dehydration while dealing with the excruciating pain of your injuries? Honestly think I'd rather die by Hamas' hands if I had a choice.

hotdogscout 3y ago
I wouldn't. Seeing my family tortured in front of me? I'd take the ruble of concrete.
emptyfile 3y ago
Raped to death? Burned alive?

giraffe_lady 3y ago

You can only think this because their methods are our methods. Bringing buildings down around children letting them die by the thousands of dehydration and inadequate medical care while the survivors watch is as horrific as anything could be.

megous 3y ago

Yeah? Go to dead_terrorists on telegram and read some comments there, if you want to see Israel's sadism.

dragonwriter 3y ago

Israel is not exactly known for eschewing the use of torture, historically or currently. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...

hotdogscout 3y ago
The documentation linked for torture on that press release (SUMMARY OF VIOLATIONS OF THE CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE) says: "Most frequently such torture or other ill-treatment takes the form of beatings: many detainees have described being beaten with gun butts immediately after arrest and then thrown on the floor of a jeep, where they lie during the journey under the boots of soldiers. It may also involve the use of dogs in an aggressive manner, painful shackling (if related to an arrest) or humiliating or degrading treatment." Having been to Brazilian prison (and being under Brazil's jurisdiction) I wouldn't classify this as torture, otherwise my brother was also tortured when arrested for drug trafficking. I wouldn't say this type of violence is as shocking as Hamas is, too.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Having been to Brazilian prison I wouldn't classify this as torture, otherwise my brother was also tortured when arrested for drug trafficking. So, either Israel doesn't torture or someone in prison for drug trafficking in a system in which torture is a well-known (and apparently, from polling, widely publicly accepted!) systemic feature of the law enforcement and prison system [0] was tortured? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_Brazil
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    I think there's a difference between mutilating someone's limbs and hitting them with the back of a gun and UN's definition doesn't accurately describe that difference.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Have you experienced any of these things or witnessed them up close? I think one big thing the waterboarding era should have taught us that it's hard to accurately gauge the horror of a technique from a distance. And that torturers take advantage of this tension.

bjourne 3y ago

I'm not so sure about that. https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusing-bodies-palestinian-fighters/39731 https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusi...

hotdogscout 3y ago
I said "Israel is much less sadistic in their killing methods", none of these videos address my claim. They're either dead terrorists/fighters being defiled or not being killed.