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> If an economic system works so poorly for people they have to be imported (I.e. locals who want to form families can’t) it should be dismantled. Most of deve

> If an economic system works so poorly for people they have to be imported (I.e. locals who want to form families can’t) it should be dismantled. Most of developed countries have bad fertility rate, some developing and/or poor countries have good fertility rate. People in rich countries don't have children not because they can't afford to, but because they don't want to.

analognoise 3y ago
You’re right, it’s not that a standard wage can’t even get you an apartment, medical care is astronomical, and the capitalists are ruining everything. It’s that people stopped wanting kids. How silly of me. We undid all the evolutionary programming of our species to play XBox and rent. …or it’s that the system is broken and we should cease importing people because the only people that “win” in that situation are those connected to global capital.
- caskstrength 3y ago
  > You’re right, it’s not that a standard wage can’t even get you an apartment, medical care is astronomical, and the capitalists are ruining everything. Did you somehow miss word "Spain" in the title and immediately proceeded with US-specific rant? Additional info from Wikipedia[0]: > As of 2020, according to the World Economic Forum and to Bloomberg, Spain has the most efficient health system in Europe, and also ranks at the top worldwide along with Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore. > Due to universal health care coverage, inequality is reduced substantially. Inequality in Spain is even further reduced in that co-payments do not usually apply, limited to special medicines and services that are not covered by the National Health System. And yet socialist Spain has fertility rate of 1.3 compared to 1.7 of dystopian capitalist-driver privatized-healthcare-only US [1]. I'm sure everyone buying a house every year and enjoying even better health care in such countries as Niger, Chad and Somalia that somehow on top of the fertility list though. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Spain [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer...

analognoise 3y ago

You’re right, it’s not that a standard wage can’t even get you an apartment, medical care is astronomical, and the capitalists are ruining everything. It’s that people stopped wanting kids. How silly of me. We undid all the evolutionary programming of our species to play XBox and rent. …or it’s that the system is broken and we should cease importing people because the only people that “win” in that situation are those connected to global capital.

caskstrength 3y ago
> You’re right, it’s not that a standard wage can’t even get you an apartment, medical care is astronomical, and the capitalists are ruining everything. Did you somehow miss word "Spain" in the title and immediately proceeded with US-specific rant? Additional info from Wikipedia[0]: > As of 2020, according to the World Economic Forum and to Bloomberg, Spain has the most efficient health system in Europe, and also ranks at the top worldwide along with Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore. > Due to universal health care coverage, inequality is reduced substantially. Inequality in Spain is even further reduced in that co-payments do not usually apply, limited to special medicines and services that are not covered by the National Health System. And yet socialist Spain has fertility rate of 1.3 compared to 1.7 of dystopian capitalist-driver privatized-healthcare-only US [1]. I'm sure everyone buying a house every year and enjoying even better health care in such countries as Niger, Chad and Somalia that somehow on top of the fertility list though. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Spain [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer...