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Aerospace would be DO-178, which is on the roadmap, but will take some effort (a year or two, give or take). Medical is closer: While there are dedicated certi

Aerospace would be DO-178, which is on the roadmap, but will take some effort (a year or two, give or take). Medical is closer: While there are dedicated certifications for medical, they are relatively close to the IEC 61508 industrial standards and so IEC certifications are often used as a stand-in for the equivalent medical certification.

kejaed 3y ago
Keeping an eye on this in the aero, uh, space. Very interesting progress, keep up the good work.
twoWhlsGud 3y ago
Isn't AdaCore handling the DO-178 side? Or does Ferrocene intend to have an offering here, also?
- Xylakant 3y ago
  The joint venture with AdaCore is no longer, so yes, we're doing this seperately.
  - galangalalgol 3y ago
    Please beat them to market... Their notion of advertising "curated language features" as a positive instead of "weird frankencompiler that doesn't match any version, work with any 3rd party crates, and has complete vendor-lock" will sell well to people that already use them, unless they aren't an option.
    - sheepshear 3y ago
      I didn't think they made any language extensions for rust? Thought it was just for Ada.
      - thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
        Ada does not have any formalized FFI with Rust at this time; just C, COBOL, and Fortran: http://ada-auth.org/standards/22rm/html/RM-B.html http://ada-auth.org/standards/22rm/html/RM-B.html AdaCore has a Rust toolchain: https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust
        sheepshear 3y ago
        I know, thank you, but I'm asking about the "curated" language features gp is criticizing. AdaCore does make Ada language extensions (who else would push the language forward these days?), but I didn't think they had any for rust, which is why I'm asking.
        galangalalgol 3y ago
        > GNAT Pro for Rust offers yearly updates that incorporate selected, recent enhancements from the upstream development. We make sure the result is a stable, tested Rust toolchain that’s ready to be used and supported for years to come. https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust Edit: not so worried about the extensions, more worried they will keep re-releasing 1.68 forever with features added only as people clamor for them. And security fixes wedged into old code. That is in effect forking the language.
        sheepshear 3y ago
        The direct competition between Ferrocene and AdaCore should take care of that. In any case, the compiler wouldn't be certified if they didn't vet the new features. These companies can't control what gets added to the language, and it might take longer than a year to vet future changes. Their statement is an upfront, no-bull fyi about how reality works. I highly doubt it's a statement of intent to stagnate. It would kind of defeat the purpose of switching away from a stagnated language and ecosystem.
        3y ago
ska 3y ago
The medical certifications are mostly about design & risk control, there isn't really (currently) the same set of toolchain certs you see in e.g. aerospace. Some places do use them as a shorthand for "our documentation & testing here is minimal, because we use X certified tools and/or standards" but it isn't required for CFR21 or 13485.

kejaed 3y ago

Keeping an eye on this in the aero, uh, space. Very interesting progress, keep up the good work.

twoWhlsGud 3y ago

Isn't AdaCore handling the DO-178 side? Or does Ferrocene intend to have an offering here, also?

Xylakant 3y ago
The joint venture with AdaCore is no longer, so yes, we're doing this seperately.
- galangalalgol 3y ago
  Please beat them to market... Their notion of advertising "curated language features" as a positive instead of "weird frankencompiler that doesn't match any version, work with any 3rd party crates, and has complete vendor-lock" will sell well to people that already use them, unless they aren't an option.
  - sheepshear 3y ago
    I didn't think they made any language extensions for rust? Thought it was just for Ada.
    - thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
      Ada does not have any formalized FFI with Rust at this time; just C, COBOL, and Fortran: http://ada-auth.org/standards/22rm/html/RM-B.html http://ada-auth.org/standards/22rm/html/RM-B.html AdaCore has a Rust toolchain: https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust
      - sheepshear 3y ago
        I know, thank you, but I'm asking about the "curated" language features gp is criticizing. AdaCore does make Ada language extensions (who else would push the language forward these days?), but I didn't think they had any for rust, which is why I'm asking.
        galangalalgol 3y ago
        > GNAT Pro for Rust offers yearly updates that incorporate selected, recent enhancements from the upstream development. We make sure the result is a stable, tested Rust toolchain that’s ready to be used and supported for years to come. https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust https://www.adacore.com/gnatpro-rust Edit: not so worried about the extensions, more worried they will keep re-releasing 1.68 forever with features added only as people clamor for them. And security fixes wedged into old code. That is in effect forking the language.
        sheepshear 3y ago
        The direct competition between Ferrocene and AdaCore should take care of that. In any case, the compiler wouldn't be certified if they didn't vet the new features. These companies can't control what gets added to the language, and it might take longer than a year to vet future changes. Their statement is an upfront, no-bull fyi about how reality works. I highly doubt it's a statement of intent to stagnate. It would kind of defeat the purpose of switching away from a stagnated language and ecosystem.
        3y ago

ska 3y ago

The medical certifications are mostly about design & risk control, there isn't really (currently) the same set of toolchain certs you see in e.g. aerospace. Some places do use them as a shorthand for "our documentation & testing here is minimal, because we use X certified tools and/or standards" but it isn't required for CFR21 or 13485.