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>And that's a bad thing? I suspect the number of casulties from six-year-olds shooting their classmates and teenage rampages would drop significantly if it were
by Produce 14y ago
>And that's a bad thing? I suspect the number of casulties from six-year-olds shooting their classmates and teenage rampages would drop significantly if it weren't so easy to get at daddy's gun...
I'm sure that the casualties from shootings would indeed go down. Casualties from knife injury on the other hand... (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/09/11/teen-arrested-over-knife-rampage-at-school-86908-21664499/ http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/09/11/t...)
>In contrast to all these omniscient people who don't argue from their mental model of reality?
Some models are better than others.
>Only because it doesn't address the root cause does not mean you should stop treating symptoms.
In my opinion, it is by far more important to resolve the root causes of problems than it is to duct tape them in an effort to partially stop the bleeding. I thought this was obvious. Humanity has a bad habit of going for quick fixes where none exist and that is the root cause of many of the problems which plague us. Instead of thinking about "saving the children", how about we stop treating each other like crap and encourage people to cooperate not because a stick is being held over their heads but because they actually want to?
Besides, if violence begets violence then are we even duct taping the wound by using oppression to treat oppression or are we reinforcing those pesky root causes even further? Consider that the system which enforces these laws is inherently unfair in that the rich have orders of magnitude more leverage than the poor. How is reminding people who have stepped over that line and taken the inequality into their own destructive hands that they live in an unfair system going to help anyone? The duct tape has a sting of it's own.
- cygx 14y agoI'm sure that the casualties from shootings would indeed go down. Casualties from knife injury on the other hand... But guns are far superior tools than knifes if your intent is to kill. If the body count goes down, that's a win in my book... Some models are better than others. No argument there, but you haven't convinced me that yours is the better one. how about we stop treating each other like crap and encourage people to cooperate not because a stick is being held over their heads but because they actually want to? Because our monkey-brains are not wired for that. We're at least partly subject to the whims of the blind idiot god of evolution, and being an asshole has been a sound strategy for a long time and still largely is. Education can help with that, but is no cure-all. Besides, if violence begets violence then are we even duct taping the wound by using oppression to treat oppression or are we reinforcing those pesky root causes even further? There are many countries with stricter gun laws than the US, and I'd be surprised if most of their citizens would feel any more oppressed than their counterparts in the US. How is reminding people who have stepped over that line and taken the inequality into their own destructive hands that they live in an unfair system going to help anyone? How is restricting access to personal firearms a reminder of an unfair system if it applies equally to all citizens? Also, do you have any data on support of stricter gun control laws by income? It's nice to speculate about the opinion of the downtrodden masses, but some facts would be even better...
- rebuttal_bot 14y agoand cars are more superior tools than guns(how many died in car accidents this year? 10's of thousands?), but you don't see cars being outlawed... this tells us it's more an emotional reaction than a logical decision.