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Do you imagine that a significant proportion of CSAM is shared by users who are so casual about it that they would be "very susceptible to nudges"?

by 4bpp 3y ago

cool_dude85 3y ago
I suspect that a large portion of CSAM is nude selfies that might be susceptible to "nudges" in the behavioral economics sense.
- salawat 3y ago
  To hell with your "nudges". It It's a cutesy way of saying "flex of State power", and everyone effing knows it. No. It's not appropriate.
- 4bpp 3y ago
  This may well be true according to the legal definition, though a system that matches against a fixed list of hashes, perceptual or otherwise, rather than working on magical AI, would not catch those. However, if this is all that the measure would be effective against then this is rather at odds with the proponents' narrative which makes this out to be about pictures produced and shared by adults with criminal intent.
bloopernova 3y ago
I think that it's only going to get faster, easier, and more accurate to generate sexualized pictures and videos of someone younger than 18. Whether you or I consider that "real" CSAM, is moot. What matters is that more and more girls are going to be deepfaked into content they didn't consent to (and in fact can't consent to due to their age. The proliferation of that content will lead to new laws driven by parents and politicians eager to "think of the children". However impractical, I could see image generators being treated like drugs or firearms and being highly restricted or banned.
seanp2k2 3y ago
I’m not sure if it’s a happy or sad thing how unaware most people, even the technically-savvy crowd, are about the extent of human trafficking and slavery in 2023. Is it proof that civilization is working how so many don’t need to concern themselves with hunting and gathering, fighting wars, fighting crime, or fighting in general to survive, and are free to spend their time on recreation and the pursuit of happiness instead of survival?

Do you imagine that a significant proportion of CSAM is shared by users who are so casual about it that they would be "very susceptible to nudges"?

by 4bpp 3y ago

Do you imagine that a significant proportion of CSAM is shared by users who are so casual about it that they would be "very susceptible to nudges"?

cool_dude85 3y ago

I suspect that a large portion of CSAM is nude selfies that might be susceptible to "nudges" in the behavioral economics sense.

salawat 3y ago
To hell with your "nudges". It It's a cutesy way of saying "flex of State power", and everyone effing knows it. No. It's not appropriate.
4bpp 3y ago
This may well be true according to the legal definition, though a system that matches against a fixed list of hashes, perceptual or otherwise, rather than working on magical AI, would not catch those. However, if this is all that the measure would be effective against then this is rather at odds with the proponents' narrative which makes this out to be about pictures produced and shared by adults with criminal intent.

bloopernova 3y ago

I think that it's only going to get faster, easier, and more accurate to generate sexualized pictures and videos of someone younger than 18. Whether you or I consider that "real" CSAM, is moot. What matters is that more and more girls are going to be deepfaked into content they didn't consent to (and in fact can't consent to due to their age. The proliferation of that content will lead to new laws driven by parents and politicians eager to "think of the children". However impractical, I could see image generators being treated like drugs or firearms and being highly restricted or banned.

seanp2k2 3y ago

I’m not sure if it’s a happy or sad thing how unaware most people, even the technically-savvy crowd, are about the extent of human trafficking and slavery in 2023. Is it proof that civilization is working how so many don’t need to concern themselves with hunting and gathering, fighting wars, fighting crime, or fighting in general to survive, and are free to spend their time on recreation and the pursuit of happiness instead of survival?