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> You have it backwards IMO, the only reason Apple is able to achieve this effect is because their phones are heads and shoulders above the rest in hardware qua

> You have it backwards IMO, the only reason Apple is able to achieve this effect is because their phones are heads and shoulders above the rest in hardware quality and integration. Build it (well) and they will come Well this doesn't explain why a person is upgrading from last year's model, which effectively does every single thing just as well. The status symbol feature is what makes people upgrade _when they don't need to_. Apple has that, other manufacturers don't.

llm_nerd 3y ago
While I am simply astonishing that so many people are playing along with such an obvious bad-faith troll as the root of this thread... The vast majority of Apple users don't upgrade year over year. Those that do generally take advantage of fantastic resale values to get the upgrade at little price. And are you claiming that Samsung or Pixel owners aren't doing the same? I know a number of peers who buy whatever is the newest, and it certainly isn't limited to Apple users.
- nkozyra 3y ago
  > The vast majority of Apple users don't upgrade year over year. I agree with that. But young people - for whom status symbols carry the most weight - generally upgrade their iphone in less than two years at a clip of ~50%. > And are you claiming that Samsung or Pixel owners aren't doing the same? I didn't claim that. I don't know. But it's less of an investment and far less of a status symbol.
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    "But young people" Can you cite your source? Like what does "young people" mean? Many young people with iPhones have old devices with broken screens. I can find a Gallup survey from 7 years ago claiming an upgrade rate every 2 years (actually they answered "whatever my provider supports", which isn't as relevant now), but notably the differences were much bigger between generations in 2015. Now many would be hard pressed to differentiate an XR from a 15. "I didn't claim that." You literally said "Apple has that, other manufacturers don't.". It's simply untrue. My wife has an XR and I cannot convince her to upgrade as she just doesn't want the hassle of moving to a new device. And of course that XR still gets the latest OS, updates, supports all apps, etc, quite a contrast from many competitors... "But it's less of an investment" Many Samsung devices are more expensive than Apple devices. Pixel 8 devices are similarly priced. As to the status claim, it's amazing how much more of a status thing non-Apple device holders make about their choice than people just choose a very good quality, high performance, well and long supported Apple device...
    - nkozyra 3y ago
      > Can you cite your source? Like what does "young people" mean? Sure. 18-24 https://www.phonearena.com/news/How-long-do-iPhone-users-take-to-upgrade-their-device_id147005 https://www.phonearena.com/news/How-long-do-iPhone-users-tak...

llm_nerd 3y ago

While I am simply astonishing that so many people are playing along with such an obvious bad-faith troll as the root of this thread... The vast majority of Apple users don't upgrade year over year. Those that do generally take advantage of fantastic resale values to get the upgrade at little price. And are you claiming that Samsung or Pixel owners aren't doing the same? I know a number of peers who buy whatever is the newest, and it certainly isn't limited to Apple users.

nkozyra 3y ago
> The vast majority of Apple users don't upgrade year over year. I agree with that. But young people - for whom status symbols carry the most weight - generally upgrade their iphone in less than two years at a clip of ~50%. > And are you claiming that Samsung or Pixel owners aren't doing the same? I didn't claim that. I don't know. But it's less of an investment and far less of a status symbol.
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  "But young people" Can you cite your source? Like what does "young people" mean? Many young people with iPhones have old devices with broken screens. I can find a Gallup survey from 7 years ago claiming an upgrade rate every 2 years (actually they answered "whatever my provider supports", which isn't as relevant now), but notably the differences were much bigger between generations in 2015. Now many would be hard pressed to differentiate an XR from a 15. "I didn't claim that." You literally said "Apple has that, other manufacturers don't.". It's simply untrue. My wife has an XR and I cannot convince her to upgrade as she just doesn't want the hassle of moving to a new device. And of course that XR still gets the latest OS, updates, supports all apps, etc, quite a contrast from many competitors... "But it's less of an investment" Many Samsung devices are more expensive than Apple devices. Pixel 8 devices are similarly priced. As to the status claim, it's amazing how much more of a status thing non-Apple device holders make about their choice than people just choose a very good quality, high performance, well and long supported Apple device...
  - nkozyra 3y ago
    > Can you cite your source? Like what does "young people" mean? Sure. 18-24 https://www.phonearena.com/news/How-long-do-iPhone-users-take-to-upgrade-their-device_id147005 https://www.phonearena.com/news/How-long-do-iPhone-users-tak...