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Note the negative tone about having our phones actually work longer, last longer and be usable longer without draining our money just to keep the threadmill rol
by izacus 3y ago
Note the negative tone about having our phones actually work longer, last longer and be usable longer without draining our money just to keep the threadmill rolling.
Imagine how pissed the car industry must be now since most people drive cars for 10-15 years instead of replacing them once per few years like iPhones.
- cabirum 3y agoThat is what EVs are for. Replace the battery every few years and replace your car whenever a new incompatible plug standard comes out.
- panick21_ 3y agoExcept in actual reality EV battereis are pretty damn reliable and plugs are pretty standardized and wont change much at all for at least a decade or more. In Europe is already standard. The US will switch to NACS but that's what most cars sold in the US already had and by 1-2 years from now all new cars will be NACS.
- jeffbee 3y agoCan we please not spread weird conspiracy theories? EV battery replacements are vanishingly rare and nobody is secretly pushing EVs as a way to punish the public.
- bongobingo1 3y agoI assume its much more likely your "extended range subscription" will expire or get hiked to oblivion vs a battery needing replacement.
- pjc50 3y agoManufacturers and especially dealers are having to be pushed into EVs.
- simmerup 3y agoSilly point when you consider that manufacturers love the fact that an ICE vehicle has to go into the garage for new parts every few months
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- twh270 3y agoHyperbolic bull*it. Modern ICE cars regularly run for tens of thousands of miles with nothing more than an oil change.
- DiggyJohnson 3y agoThis point seems overrated. Service on a modern ICE car is pretty minimal, and I don't see it as something manufacturers really care about. Maybe dealerships, perhaps.
- huytersd 3y agoRecommended maintenance is every six months. That’s considerable and really only applicable to new cars.
- rascul 3y agoThat is not normal in my experience.
- vasdae 3y agoThis is the kind of thing that people here in HN believe? No wonder you're looking forward to electrics then.
- huytersd 3y agoAlmost everyone has an ICE vehicle. There no reason to “believe” anything.
- Glyptodon 3y ago
- deelowe 3y agoTotal cost of ownership for evs is vastly lower than ices. The number of mechanical parts is two orders of magnitude less for an ev.
- eppp 3y agoAnd yet they cost a ton more. It is madness and incredibly frustrating.
- huytersd 3y agoThey cost about 20% more, for now. That’s not a ton considering you can break even on gas alone in 2-3 years, depending on how you drive.
- Glyptodon 3y agoI can't see how. New to new, a cheap ICE economy car can still run low $20s and your total fuel costs over 3 years will probably be under $2k. And even a cheaper EV like a Chevy Bolt won't make up the difference. It seems like the gap only gets worse when comparing higher up the price curve hybrids to their EV cousins.
- p_j_w 3y agoThey also have vastly lower maintenance and repair costs. Real analyses of this stuff has been done and EVs win every time.
- Glyptodon 3y agoI totally believe this if the vehicles have similar initial costs, and I can imagine that if the EV has higher re-sale value used, it might help too. But I have a hard time seeing how you can make up the price difference between a relatively reliable compact hybrid and its EV version - take a Kia Niro (just because offhand I know it comes in EV and Hybrid): Hybrid is like $27k, EV is like $40k (though hybrid used to be more like $24k). If you own for 10 years what's going to eat that $13k difference? Just better resale in 10 years? Oil change once a year, a few medium repairs, and cost of gas vs electricity don't get you there.
- oblio 3y agoIn Europe and a lot of the rest of the world the plug us standardized BY LAW, as it should be. In the US they're converging to NACS and the adapter for it is cheap... At least use correct arguments against EVs
- mschuster91 3y ago> Imagine how pissed the car industry must be now since most people drive cars for 10-15 years instead of replacing them once per few years like iPhones. They have been for years, Western markets have been saturated for years - that's the reason why especially the German carmakers shifted all their attention towards China, the only place left that has enough wealthy people to afford their cars.
- meragrin_ 3y ago> Western markets have been saturated for years The car market has not been saturated since 2020.
- JeremyNT 3y ago> Note the negative tone about having our phones actually work longer, last longer and be usable longer without draining our money just to keep the threadmill rolling. Indeed, it's a really positive development. Finally this market is pretty mature and one can buy something that isn't completely unsable within a couple of years of purchase. My family of three phone users just upgrades our phones to whatever the lower end pixel is when they break (due to some accidental damage). Despite the horror stories, these phones have always been fine for us. The last remaining barrier to this strategy (limited security updates from Google) is finally going away, so the future for "replace it when it breaks" looks even better.