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I don't necessarily mean the ISA. But imagine if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V even if they don't directly license it would that help Chines

by qwytw 3y ago

I don't necessarily mean the ISA. But imagine if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V even if they don't directly license it would that help Chinese companies either directly or indirectly (e.g. people will port their software to RISC-V, major companies might adopt it etc. which would increase demand for other RISC-V chips and Chinese companies will unavoidably end up getting a slice of that pie with x86 and to lesser extent with ARM that's not a threat). > This is where China will always have the most trouble catching up with advanced, Yes I agree, but when/if they do they certainly don't want to be reliant on IP directly owned by western companies.

rwmj 3y ago
> if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V Most of these will be proprietary. There is, however, a competitive open source chip design that the EU are putting money into for the European Processor Initiative, so good luck trying to control that. You can already go to github & download it[1]. (It has nothing to do with RVI in any case). The software is already ported to RISC-V so that horse is running round the paddock already. [1] https://github.com/openhwgroup/cva6 https://github.com/openhwgroup/cva6
- qwytw 3y ago
  > Most of these will be proprietary Yes, I'm talking about that situation more proprietary competitive -> higher demand/improved ecosystem for RISC-V chips -> Chinese companies become more competitive relative to AMD/ARM/Intel -> influence US has is diminished > a competitive open source chip design that the EU are putting money into for the European Processor Initiative, so good luck trying to control that. And for better or for worse than will benefit China. > The software is already ported to RISC-V I'm talking about software in general (Web servers, databases, mobile operating systems etc.)
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PoignardAzur 3y ago
> But imagine if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V even if they don't directly license it would that help Chinese companies either directly or indirectly (e.g. people will port their software to RISC-V, major companies might adopt it etc. which would increase demand for other RISC-V chips and Chinese companies will unavoidably end up getting a slice of that pie with x86 and to lesser extent with ARM that's not a threat). You're really not going convince anybody who believes in the open-source ethos with that line of thinking. Not directly transferring technology is one thing, but your reasoning is we should all refuse to use a common standard because if the US makes a really useful product based on that standard, then everybody worldwide would benefit from the positive effects to the ecosystem, and China would also benefit and that's bad?

by qwytw 3y ago

rwmj 3y ago

> if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V Most of these will be proprietary. There is, however, a competitive open source chip design that the EU are putting money into for the European Processor Initiative, so good luck trying to control that. You can already go to github & download it[1]. (It has nothing to do with RVI in any case). The software is already ported to RISC-V so that horse is running round the paddock already. [1] https://github.com/openhwgroup/cva6 https://github.com/openhwgroup/cva6

qwytw 3y ago
> Most of these will be proprietary Yes, I'm talking about that situation more proprietary competitive -> higher demand/improved ecosystem for RISC-V chips -> Chinese companies become more competitive relative to AMD/ARM/Intel -> influence US has is diminished > a competitive open source chip design that the EU are putting money into for the European Processor Initiative, so good luck trying to control that. And for better or for worse than will benefit China. > The software is already ported to RISC-V I'm talking about software in general (Web servers, databases, mobile operating systems etc.)
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PoignardAzur 3y ago

> But imagine if an US company designs a highly competitive RISC-V even if they don't directly license it would that help Chinese companies either directly or indirectly (e.g. people will port their software to RISC-V, major companies might adopt it etc. which would increase demand for other RISC-V chips and Chinese companies will unavoidably end up getting a slice of that pie with x86 and to lesser extent with ARM that's not a threat). You're really not going convince anybody who believes in the open-source ethos with that line of thinking. Not directly transferring technology is one thing, but your reasoning is we should all refuse to use a common standard because if the US makes a really useful product based on that standard, then everybody worldwide would benefit from the positive effects to the ecosystem, and China would also benefit and that's bad?