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Zelda the Movie Shows Nintendo Has Learned Its Lessons
- dangus 3y agoI’m failing to see where a lesson was learned. Nintendo can’t make a movie without a movie studio.
- izzydata 3y agoCan any gaming studio make a movie without a movie studio?
- candiddevmike 3y agoBlizzard could make a WoW movie better than any movie studio. Their cinematics are legendary, which makes you wonder why they farmed out the Warcraft movie.
- TheAceOfHearts 3y agoBlizzard doesn't have the resources to make a full length movie at that quality level. My understanding is that some of their big cinematics sometimes take nearly a full year to produce. If they committed all of their artists to making a movie they wouldn't be able to produce any cutscenes for their games.
- sleepybrett 3y agoBlizzards storytelling may 'shine' in the videogame space but take it out of that and it's the most one note cliche shit imaginable. Anyone with any intellectual honestly would agree.
- sleepybrett 3y agoCinematics are not movies. They are 1 or 2 scenes stitched together.
- moralestapia 3y agoYou're looking at them through the lens of nostalgia. I can assure if you put them on a cinema screen and removed the Blizzard logos you'd say "what is this cheap looking CGI trash". Also, there's a world of difference between a one minute cutscene and a full-feature length film.
- micromacrofoot 3y agoIt's in the article > Once regarded as a notoriously hard company to work with, it has clearly learned its lessons. Increasingly, it’s partnering with others to boost revenue from its vast catalog of intellectual property, from Pokemon Go maker Niantic Inc., to Nintendo-themed areas at Universal Studios theme parks across the world. This isn't entirely true though, many are aware of the terrible animated Zelda show in the 90s, and the Super Mario Super Show and original Super Mario Bros. movie. I think this is probably a similar story to early Ghibli partnerships with western media — their early distributors didn't "get" movies like Princess Mononoke and tried to completely butcher the initial US release. This put Ghibli off of partnerships for a while, but they eventually re-approached and are doing wonderful dubbing work with Disney.
- dangus 3y agoYes I read that part and I didn’t find that idea to be very compelling. Nintendo has partnered with a ton of companies in the past. I don't think that partnering with some more proves anything about difficult or ease of working with Nintendo.
- echelon 3y agoAlmost. They need to be like Sega with respect to how they treat fans. Let them make fan art, fan videos without issuing takedown requests or stealing their monetization Perhaps even grant them license for little silly mods of old games. Lean into Smash Melee. It has a huge competitive scene. Support this. You can keep modern Smash and legacy competitive Smash alive simultaneously without cannibalizing sales. They could even launch a Melee refresh.
- scythe 3y agoNobody could ever launch a Melee refresh because even the community today can't agree on what the best version is. 1.01? NTSC? PAL? PAL Yoshi and Fox with other characters NTSC? UCF? Neutral starts? Scientists should take note of our achievements in how finely one can split a hair.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoIt's actually been explicitly stated from former Nintendo employees that Melee will almost certainly never get a re-release; because: A. Nintendo doesn't care about the primary audience for Melee. They view the Melee players as being, in many ways, harmful to the brand; which considering the dozens of pedophile and sexual assault allegations, they might have a point. Before anyone says the above is an exaggeration or unfair: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_of_sexual_and_nonsexual_allegations/?rdt=60575 https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_o... and https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_sexual_assault_allegations_in_the_super/?rdt=35285 https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hlyrgs/regarding_... B. Any change, no matter how slight, would get screams of being "unplayable!" Just one frame of increased or decreased lag because it's different hardware? "Unplayable!" It doesn't work with the actual original 2003 GameCube controller instead of the Switch reproduction? "Unplayable!" It doesn't support the hacks the community has added? "Unplayable!" And on and on... If you literally could never make the community happy because it's not 2003 anymore, what's the point?
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- sickofparadox 3y agoThis article feels somewhat condescending, but I cannot place my finger on exactly what gives me that impression. I doubt the author intended that and just wanted to have something out to be a part of the "theres a LoZ movie" hypecycle but its a strange route to chart for an SEO fluff article.
- jsbisviewtiful 3y agoThat tracks - It's a Bloomberg article.
- nerdjon 3y agoEh? this is way too soon to assume they have learned anything considering how little we know about the movie. TBH after how successful (and decent) Mario was I woulda argue if they learned anything they would have gone to the same team that made that work. If anything giving up too much creative control and Nintendo not being hard to work with could also be a problem. It will never cease to amaze how how a paragraph of information from Nintendo (or anyone) can be turned into a long article likely focused on SEO that doesn't really say anything.
- quietbritishjim 3y ago> If anything giving up too much creative control and Nintendo not being hard to work with could also be a problem. Giving up creative control was what led to the original 1993 Mario film, which certainly made use of that creative freedom but was head-scratchingly bizarre (and a flop).
- 29athrowaway 3y agoThe 1993 Mario film was horrible. They discarded everything from the source material and replaced it with nonsense.
- LegitShady 3y agoIt's so bad it's actually funny to watch if you're watching it to marvel at how bad it is. An unintentional comedy.
- sharkjacobs 3y agoThe source material is that a new york plumber is travelling through a psychedelic fantasy landscape to rescue a princess from a tyrannical dragon turtle.
- mcmcdtx 3y agoI love the 1993 mario movie, I think you really summed up why I was so forgiving of the liberties it took. As a kid I had superimposed my imagination on the very limited source material and the movie just did that in a direction I didn't expect. I have also heard that in its development there were the designs of a much darker cyberpunk world which was ultimately vetoed somewhere up the ladder, that sort of explains some of the weird choices.
- herunan 3y agoImpossible to take this article seriously.
- Obscurity4340 3y agoI wonder if they're doing a GOT-inspired take on it? I feel like a limited series covering a game like Ocarina or Majora would be a mega-blockbuster
- Lord-Jobo 3y agogame of thrones? give or take? gospel of thomas?
- dietrichepp 3y agoGlobal offset table. When you go to the theater to see it, you’ll find a piece of paper on your seat with the address of the real theater written on it. This means you can still buy tickets to your local theater, but Nintendo can show the movie at position-independent theaters, dynamically.
- Obscurity4340 3y agoThis HAPPENS ;)
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- Obscurity4340 3y agoGame of Thrones aha. Took me a minute, but I low-key feel like you could have worked your way to it without me needing to intervene :/
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoSomehow I doubt Nintendo would make a movie with brothels, incest, gruesome bloody murders and beheadings, and intense violence throughout :-) It'll be cartoonish meh with typical Disney plots and dreck writing (It's about believing in yourself! And your friends! You can do it! etc.)
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- barbariangrunge 3y agoThe mario movie was a stereotypical generic cartoon movie. The true mario movie is Luigi's mansion 3 (a game): that thing is ultra polished with incredible animation and loveable characters, great audio, oozing with charm. I want Nintendo to make it's own movie
- SpaceManNabs 3y agoThanks for sharing. Do i need to play the first two? Does it go on sale often? Haven't used my switch since god of war ragnarok came out, and this seems like a good excuse!
- sumtechguy 3y agoThe first 2 are just as good. I love the music in it. When he was just walking around he would hum the music. But it sounded like he was trying to calm himself down. It was a nice touch.
- barbariangrunge 3y agoIt never goes on sale. Get it used. I haven't played the first two
- maewsa 3y agoIt's gone on sale many times. You can see on dekudeals.com. I haven't actually played 3 but I played 2 without having played the first one and it was very enjoyable.
- cududa 3y agoNah, it's completely standalone. I hadn't played the first one since Luigis Mansion 1 20+ years ago. But also, this guy is being incredibly hyperbolic. It's a really fun game, but this guy just REALLY likes it
- lincon127 3y agoEugh
- lincon127 3y agoAll we can really hope for is that it lives up to the standard of the old Mario Bros movie. If they try to make it half decent, it'll flop spectacularly.
- mjr00 3y agoWith generic "capeshit" superhero movies no longer being a sure thing (The Marvels is tracking to a $45-55m opening this weekend, guaranteeing it's a huge bomb) and the massive success of Mario, Sonic 1/2, and even the extremely mediocre Five Nights at Freddy's movie, it seems inevitable that video games are the next trendy frontier for movie studios to harvest from. I do wonder how long it can last as, while I thought the Mario movie wasn't bad as a generic kid's movie, it also relied heavily on nostalgia and references to keep parents entertained. And comic books seem to have a much deeper pool of nostalgic characters to draw from before they start scraping the bottom of the barrel for you-don't-know-who-this-is-unless-you're-a-hardcore-fan characters like Shang-Chi or Ms. Marvel. For games, after Mario, Link and Sonic, you've got Pikachu/Pokemon, Master Chief, Lara Croft... and then a pretty sharp fall-off after that. Like yeah, I love Metal Gear, but is Solid Snake really a cultural icon the same way Magneto or Mario is?
- m3kw9 3y agoThe mistakes game movies make is they try to make the movie look too much like the game as if it will please gamers. The movie has to be in the spirit of the game but not too literally. Example is that showing Mario jumping and hitting bricks in real life is just stupid. Or street fighter movie emulating a side view fight is just gonna make it tacky. Doom the movie has these dumb ass fps screens.
- brlewis 3y agoHasbro avoided this mistake by basing their movie on Dungeons and Dragons, where anything can happen. I think they actually had the best movie of 2023. Mission Impossible 7 had better stunts, but DnD had a better story, better acting, and superbly-executed comedic timing. I was not a Hugh Grant fan before this movie, but now I am.
- m3kw9 3y agoYeah exactly, I was looking for a movie but D and D people got the formula right, it takes creativity to have it be like the game but no look like you are playing one. Imagine if that movie had these dice and little card rules, what’s what a B movie studio would have done
- jstarfish 3y agoThe last John Wick movie had a scene that wonderfully leveraged the cinematography of Hotline Miami (of all things!). It can be done, it just has to be tasteful. In writing anything, never give the audience what they expect. It's lame and boring.
- m3kw9 3y agoYeah and that was stupid I thought, and hotline miami was a good game. I hope they have a hotline miami movie but they need to make it like pulp fiction
- moralestapia 3y agoGreat news and it's evident why the stock went up after the announcement. Nintendo's IP has both great quality and quantity. They have only scratched the surface of what they could do with it with the recent SMB movie. Remember the story that Nintendo used to be a trading card company? Are they now a video game company as it says on Wikipedia? What is the full name of the NES? Nintendo is an entertainment company. With some well-executed strategy, I can totally see Nintendo becoming a Disney-like behemoth in the not so distant future. Just imagine something like a Nintendo+ service full with movies and tv shows from their universe. "Hurr durr, but they've done lame stuff in the past ..." Yes ... and? They have all the cash in the world to produce great content and they definitely know how to make fun stuff as well. They can pull it off and I'll glady pay for that!
- vlunkr 3y agoThey seem to be relying heavily on the fact that Avi Arad is involved. Just take a glance at his IMDB, his role as producer seems to have very little bearing on the quality of a movie. Yeah, he worked on Spiderverse. He's also worked on Fantastic Four (2005), Elektra, Hulk, The Amazing Spider Man, Morbius. I picked out the bad ones, but the point his, he's worked on a lot of stuff, plenty of it is trash. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032696/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032696/
- araes 3y agoIts kind of what @sickofparadox was getting at above, that it seems condescending. Reads like: "Obviously its dangerous to make a $1000 million movie by yourself. Teaming up with Sony and Marvel and making generic super-cape movies people are tired of is the correct money choice. Making movies with quirky superhero people like Teen Titans writers is obviously failure." Its effectively an appeal to authority argument based on popularity. Unfortunately, its the cursed incentive Hollywood always seems to do. Make high quality product, get endless grief while people try to steal everything not nailed down, and swindle you every way imaginable. Make endless junk copies of junk copies, and play the game to churn out cash, everybody's happy.
- runnr_az 3y agoLesson: "Make good stuff instead of bad stuff"
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoThe "right" way to do Zelda as a movie is to do it as a Studio Ghibli style animation. I'd go see that -- think Spirited Away meets Wind Waker. Hollywood formula will suck for it.