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It’s weird to me that everyone is describing their AI helper as “Like Clippy for X!” Did we all forget that everyone hated Clippy?

by imgabe 3y ago

whatsakandr 3y ago
I was expecting it to be an annoyance program that ran in the background and gave unhelpful suggestions. Instead, I'm trying to figure out if I can use this at work.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
Clippy was some two decades ahead of its time. If they took the same design, but implemented it via GPT-4, the result would not only be genuinely useful, but likely superior to O365 Copilot - floating ambient-aware agent beats a chat sidebar.
tempaway334751 3y ago
if [[ $input == dear* ]]; then echo "It looks like you're writing a letter"
- jmull 3y ago
  Exactly! That, and it was obscure how it could be fully disabled.
Grimblewald 3y ago
I loved clippy, and found it super helpful. Granted, I was a child and fascinated with the idea of artificial intelligence, which clippy was the closest thing to at that point in time. It was a useful tool, and it's at times irrelevant suggestions got me exploring things I would never have learned through school or casual exposure. All in all it was a fun, quirky, at times useful and all around great tool, just not for the target audience.
- rigid 3y ago
  Good example of software supporting teachers in education. Fascinating kids for hours without any teacher time. We need a clippy for math. :-)
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    We pay to get access to Khan Academy’s Khanmigo learning assistant (as a component of our kids’ secular homeschool curriculum), powered by OpenAI. Check it out. https://www.khanacademy.org/khan-labs https://www.khanacademy.org/khan-labs
  - appplication 3y ago
    > We need a clippy for math. :-) We used to have number muncher. I recall spending hours playing that.
rabbits_2002 3y ago
If clippy was actually useful people probably wouldn’t have hated it as much
zweifuss 3y ago
Clippy, if activated, always added an unnecessary step in accessing the help file. Clippy was in part bad, because the help file had a mostly useless index, leading to no or wrong answers for Clippy. The content in the help file was additionally less than accurate, it lacked usage examples and a FAQ section that could have been used for recognizing and offering a solution to a question. The difficult part of creating an assistant is recognizing the users' problems and offering solutions. It's the kind of experience a company can acquire with years of tech support or lots of lab testing. Then it would have to compile that knowledge in an expert system and give it away essentiality for free. Companies that prioritize development and/or support over documentation shouldn't try to create an assistant for the same reasons. But if you have great documentation, a great support knowledgebase, and support scripts, creating an assistant out of it will someday become as easy as keeping a Juypter notebook running.
- jkaptur 3y ago
  Clippy was hated whether he was right or not. Consider the most popular catchphrase "It looks like you're writing a letter..." In my experience, Clippy was never wrong about that - precision and recall were absolutely perfect - but people do not appreciate being interrupted, particularly at the precise moment their work has begun. The hard part of creating an assistant is not coming up with some stuff to suggest, it's coming up with a time, place, and manner to make those suggestions so that users might be open to them. > creating an assistant out of it will someday become as easy as keeping a Juypter notebook running. Absolutely true, but if you intend for that assistant to proactively inject itself into people's lives, get ready to be held to an unimaginably high bar of quality.
  - zweifuss 3y ago
    You could check "Don't show me this tip again". That's why I don't remember it as the main problem with Clippy. I agree that it was a bad idea in the first place to interrupt a user's action. Finding the right time and manner to offer a suggestion is a hard problem even for a human being.
    - 3y ago
daveslash 3y ago
Someone out there loved Clippy so much, they wrote erotic fiction about it. Warning: Mindly NSFW. I'll see myself out... https://www.amazon.com/Conquered-Clippy-Erotic-Digital-Desires-ebook/dp/B00UJ01WBW/ref=sr_1_1 https://www.amazon.com/Conquered-Clippy-Erotic-Digital-Desir...
aakjsdfajsdfh 3y ago
> Did we all forget that everyone hated Clippy? no. you didn't get the joke. Wasn't the output of ffmpeg being more cryptic than the obvious ".mp4" extension a dead give away to you?

It’s weird to me that everyone is describing their AI helper as “Like Clippy for X!” Did we all forget that everyone hated Clippy?

by imgabe 3y ago

It’s weird to me that everyone is describing their AI helper as “Like Clippy for X!” Did we all forget that everyone hated Clippy?

whatsakandr 3y ago

I was expecting it to be an annoyance program that ran in the background and gave unhelpful suggestions. Instead, I'm trying to figure out if I can use this at work.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Clippy was some two decades ahead of its time. If they took the same design, but implemented it via GPT-4, the result would not only be genuinely useful, but likely superior to O365 Copilot - floating ambient-aware agent beats a chat sidebar.

tempaway334751 3y ago

if [[ $input == dear* ]]; then echo "It looks like you're writing a letter"

jmull 3y ago
Exactly! That, and it was obscure how it could be fully disabled.

Grimblewald 3y ago

I loved clippy, and found it super helpful. Granted, I was a child and fascinated with the idea of artificial intelligence, which clippy was the closest thing to at that point in time. It was a useful tool, and it's at times irrelevant suggestions got me exploring things I would never have learned through school or casual exposure. All in all it was a fun, quirky, at times useful and all around great tool, just not for the target audience.

rigid 3y ago
Good example of software supporting teachers in education. Fascinating kids for hours without any teacher time. We need a clippy for math. :-)
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  We pay to get access to Khan Academy’s Khanmigo learning assistant (as a component of our kids’ secular homeschool curriculum), powered by OpenAI. Check it out. https://www.khanacademy.org/khan-labs https://www.khanacademy.org/khan-labs
- appplication 3y ago
  > We need a clippy for math. :-) We used to have number muncher. I recall spending hours playing that.

rabbits_2002 3y ago

If clippy was actually useful people probably wouldn’t have hated it as much

zweifuss 3y ago

Clippy, if activated, always added an unnecessary step in accessing the help file. Clippy was in part bad, because the help file had a mostly useless index, leading to no or wrong answers for Clippy. The content in the help file was additionally less than accurate, it lacked usage examples and a FAQ section that could have been used for recognizing and offering a solution to a question. The difficult part of creating an assistant is recognizing the users' problems and offering solutions. It's the kind of experience a company can acquire with years of tech support or lots of lab testing. Then it would have to compile that knowledge in an expert system and give it away essentiality for free. Companies that prioritize development and/or support over documentation shouldn't try to create an assistant for the same reasons. But if you have great documentation, a great support knowledgebase, and support scripts, creating an assistant out of it will someday become as easy as keeping a Juypter notebook running.

jkaptur 3y ago
Clippy was hated whether he was right or not. Consider the most popular catchphrase "It looks like you're writing a letter..." In my experience, Clippy was never wrong about that - precision and recall were absolutely perfect - but people do not appreciate being interrupted, particularly at the precise moment their work has begun. The hard part of creating an assistant is not coming up with some stuff to suggest, it's coming up with a time, place, and manner to make those suggestions so that users might be open to them. > creating an assistant out of it will someday become as easy as keeping a Juypter notebook running. Absolutely true, but if you intend for that assistant to proactively inject itself into people's lives, get ready to be held to an unimaginably high bar of quality.
- zweifuss 3y ago
  You could check "Don't show me this tip again". That's why I don't remember it as the main problem with Clippy. I agree that it was a bad idea in the first place to interrupt a user's action. Finding the right time and manner to offer a suggestion is a hard problem even for a human being.
  - 3y ago

daveslash 3y ago

Someone out there loved Clippy so much, they wrote erotic fiction about it. Warning: Mindly NSFW. I'll see myself out... https://www.amazon.com/Conquered-Clippy-Erotic-Digital-Desires-ebook/dp/B00UJ01WBW/ref=sr_1_1 https://www.amazon.com/Conquered-Clippy-Erotic-Digital-Desir...

aakjsdfajsdfh 3y ago

> Did we all forget that everyone hated Clippy? no. you didn't get the joke. Wasn't the output of ffmpeg being more cryptic than the obvious ".mp4" extension a dead give away to you?