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I doubt ICE will be gone completely. There are many places in the world where batteries don’t work well due to the cold or lack of electricity. But maybe we wi
by para_parolu 3y ago
I doubt ICE will be gone completely. There are many places in the world where batteries don’t work well due to the cold or lack of electricity.
But maybe we will find better cheaper batteries. Until then AV is rich people choice.
- KeplerBoy 3y agoHorses are also not completely gone, but that's besides the point. Also Norway is one of the countries with the largest shares of EVs, so I don't think the cold really is a problem. (I'm well aware that there are places in the continental US, Canada and Russia which get a lot colder than Norway. Maybe EVs struggle there, but hardly any one lives there in the great scheme of things.)
- aurareturn 3y ago>Until then AV is rich people choice. Just came back from Shenzen. ~50% of cars on the road are EVs. 100% of Didi (China's Uber) are EVs due to cost/mile being cheaper than ICE. So it isn't a rich people choice in China.
- dnedic 3y agoJust came back from Shanghai, same situation, BUT from talking to people there are three big reasons for that: 1. The government built the EV charger infrastructure so that even the remotest areas are covered, the chargers have one universal way to use them and you can't go far without seeing one 2. In big cities China made car registration much more expensive for non-EVs 3. Prices of EVs in china are much lower than anywhere in the world None of these apply for Europe or US, and I am doutbful they can make a swift transition like China can.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago4. Electric energy is price capped in China.
- Turskarama 3y agoThe electricity price isn't the issue, over 10 years EVs are cheaper to run than ICE vehicles anywhere in the world. The problem is the upfront cost, it doesn't matter if it's cheaper in the long run if you can't afford it now.
- aurareturn 3y ago>None of these apply for Europe or US, and I am doutbful they can make a swift transition like China can. If the US government would allow Chinese EV car makers to enter the market without friction, the price of EVs in the US would drop rapidly. But I think the anti-China smearing campaign and protectionist policies do a good job of preventing that.
- thelastgallon 3y agoThis. VW has to sell their EVs at 16 - 17K to compete in China, they sell the same for more than 2x in other markets.
- helge9210 3y ago> Prices of EVs in china are much lower In Germany new Tesla Model 3 is cheaper than any comparable (275 HP, multimedia, cruise control, full size) ICE car.
- dnedic 3y agoStill far more expensive than any electric car including the same Tesla model in China.
- thelastgallon 3y agoCharging doesn't mean infrastructure like roads, bridges. If there is a building, it already has electricity. Running a cable from the building to parking lot (10s of feet) is not really that complicated. Also most countries are on 220V/240V standard, a regular outlet works perfectly fine.
- m463 3y agoHorses still exist now too :) (they also had emission problems, but were somewhat self-driving)
- thelastgallon 3y ago> There are many places in the world where batteries don’t work well due to the cold or lack of electricity. Like Norway? Norway has 90% EV sales.
- aurareturn 3y agoTo be fair, Norway is an extremely wealthy country with a small population that got rich off of oil. The better example is China.