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>It makes no sense to block users simply because they will not consent to targeted ads. It absolutely 100% does. Advertisers in todays age only spend on target

>It makes no sense to block users simply because they will not consent to targeted ads. It absolutely 100% does. Advertisers in todays age only spend on targeted advertising because it not only works, but the converse of that (spamming users with random ads) degrades user experience.

meiraleal 3y ago
> but the converse of that (spamming users with random ads) degrades user experience The whole point of the discussion is that directed ads degraded user experience. What is your point then?
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  >Directed ads degraded user experience. This is literally propaganda for people pushing for control of the internet through the idea of "privacy" There isn't a world where someone is using and app, and would prefer to see generic advertisements versus finding out about deals on products they care about or new products that they may be interested in. Unless of course you are bought into the bullshit bogeyman of "oh no, company is building a profile on me, that MUST mean they are going to use it for nefarious means", despite no evidence of this being true, ever. If you believe this, then you either virtue signaling off the ideology that companies and capitalism is evil, or you personally don't feel like you have enough self control to make decisions on your own despite what is being shown to you, and if so you really shouldn't have a say or vote in this.
  - nerdbert 3y ago
    Is it so hard to believe that other people may have different opinions from yours? I've never knowingly clicked on an ad in my life. I am very aware of how law enforcement, political consultants, and other organizations purchase targeting data from ad companies. I don't want to be part of it because I don't want to be part of it.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    > There isn't a world where someone is using and app, and would prefer to see generic advertisements versus finding out about deals on products they care about or new products that they may be interested in This is literal propaganda. Who said I have to choose between bad ads and even worse ads? Are you insane? > Unless of course you are bought into the bullshit bogeyman of "oh no, company is building a profile on me, that MUST mean they are going to use it for nefarious means" Yes, you are insane. This is exactly what they do: profit with the ads, profit with nefarious ways they sell and transform the data they gather. > If you believe this, then you either virtue signaling off the ideology that companies and capitalism is evil, or you personally don't feel like you have enough self control to make decisions on your own despite what is being shown to you, and if so you really shouldn't have a say or vote in this. I think you should avoid getting near a keyboard, you doesn't seem to have enough mental acuity for a healthy communication.
hackideiomat 3y ago
Random ads? Why that? Why not contextual ads? E.g., if I'm on a facebook page for programming, maybe show everyone there ads for that new keyboard etc. This is without tracking THE USER, it just has to track where you are. Same for websites. Sure this has drawbacks, but it's not like advertisers didn't make conversions before tracking got the way to go.
- qeternity 3y ago
  > Sure this has drawbacks, but it's not like advertisers didn't make conversions before tracking got the way to go. Why would anyone settle for less without getting something in return. You wouldn't go into your job and happily take a 30% pay decrease because your boss said "it's not like you weren't surviving before". User tracking results in better ROI. This is why advertisers pay Facebook for the privilege. And you just expect Facebook to say "oh well, shucks"?

meiraleal 3y ago

> but the converse of that (spamming users with random ads) degrades user experience The whole point of the discussion is that directed ads degraded user experience. What is your point then?

ActorNightly 3y ago
>Directed ads degraded user experience. This is literally propaganda for people pushing for control of the internet through the idea of "privacy" There isn't a world where someone is using and app, and would prefer to see generic advertisements versus finding out about deals on products they care about or new products that they may be interested in. Unless of course you are bought into the bullshit bogeyman of "oh no, company is building a profile on me, that MUST mean they are going to use it for nefarious means", despite no evidence of this being true, ever. If you believe this, then you either virtue signaling off the ideology that companies and capitalism is evil, or you personally don't feel like you have enough self control to make decisions on your own despite what is being shown to you, and if so you really shouldn't have a say or vote in this.
- nerdbert 3y ago
  Is it so hard to believe that other people may have different opinions from yours? I've never knowingly clicked on an ad in my life. I am very aware of how law enforcement, political consultants, and other organizations purchase targeting data from ad companies. I don't want to be part of it because I don't want to be part of it.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  > There isn't a world where someone is using and app, and would prefer to see generic advertisements versus finding out about deals on products they care about or new products that they may be interested in This is literal propaganda. Who said I have to choose between bad ads and even worse ads? Are you insane? > Unless of course you are bought into the bullshit bogeyman of "oh no, company is building a profile on me, that MUST mean they are going to use it for nefarious means" Yes, you are insane. This is exactly what they do: profit with the ads, profit with nefarious ways they sell and transform the data they gather. > If you believe this, then you either virtue signaling off the ideology that companies and capitalism is evil, or you personally don't feel like you have enough self control to make decisions on your own despite what is being shown to you, and if so you really shouldn't have a say or vote in this. I think you should avoid getting near a keyboard, you doesn't seem to have enough mental acuity for a healthy communication.

hackideiomat 3y ago

Random ads? Why that? Why not contextual ads? E.g., if I'm on a facebook page for programming, maybe show everyone there ads for that new keyboard etc. This is without tracking THE USER, it just has to track where you are. Same for websites. Sure this has drawbacks, but it's not like advertisers didn't make conversions before tracking got the way to go.

qeternity 3y ago
> Sure this has drawbacks, but it's not like advertisers didn't make conversions before tracking got the way to go. Why would anyone settle for less without getting something in return. You wouldn't go into your job and happily take a 30% pay decrease because your boss said "it's not like you weren't surviving before". User tracking results in better ROI. This is why advertisers pay Facebook for the privilege. And you just expect Facebook to say "oh well, shucks"?