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The EU seems to really hate not having control over things, so they will just mandate having some hard-coded certs, that are present regardless of choice. It's

The EU seems to really hate not having control over things, so they will just mandate having some hard-coded certs, that are present regardless of choice. It's like a pathological thing in Europe, and the recent legislation coming from there seems very inspired by the great firewall. It's like they gave up on trying to actually innovate or grow a tech industry (composed of more than the odd successful euro tech corporation) after years of trying and now they are just banking on their market size to push more and more ridiculous legislation. I can't wait for that to backfire, or for corporations to not bother anymore (imo the GPDR is the only good thing that came out of this non stop spree of legislation, and that's almost half a decade old now). At least with China, whatever they do or restrict usually only affects their own home grown tech industry. The funny thing is that if the US gov seriously pushed for something similar to the recent laws (chatcontrol, client side scanning, the weird copyright laws, the "fake news" thing, etc), Europeans would call it fascism or typical American thirdworldism (which is extremely ironic regardless of context).

sleevi 3y ago
> and the recent legislation coming from there seems very inspired by the great firewall. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/6487...
supriyo-biswas 3y ago
This is also the same reason why calling upon European citizens to see the negatives of the law and voice their concerns about it isn’t gonna work. Agree partly the GDPR though, since it requires disclosure about how collected data is gonna be used.
sofixa 3y ago
> imo the GPDR is the only good thing that came out of this non stop spree of legislation, and that's almost half a decade old now What do you think of the Digital Markets and Digital Services Acts?
fullspectrumdev 3y ago
One of the biggest reasons “the EU” can’t seem to home grow a tech industry is fragmentation - each member state has its own bizarre tax rules, and it’s extremely tedious/difficult, even today, to do cross border employment. A company based in Ireland for example, has a really hard time employing someone in Germany, without spinning up a “local branch” in Germany, and thus having to comply with German tax rules as well. Rules around contractors vary wildly and don’t simplify matters much. The “solution” is to accept the overheads of a company like Remote or similar who act as an employer of record, but that’s a bodge. No member state has any real incentive to simplify cross border employment/business rules, so it drags everyone down. It gets even worse for startups when rules around equity, etc, vary wildly country to country - some countries have extremely hostile tax rules around equity that may never be realized.

sleevi 3y ago

> and the recent legislation coming from there seems very inspired by the great firewall. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/6487...

supriyo-biswas 3y ago

This is also the same reason why calling upon European citizens to see the negatives of the law and voice their concerns about it isn’t gonna work. Agree partly the GDPR though, since it requires disclosure about how collected data is gonna be used.

sofixa 3y ago

> imo the GPDR is the only good thing that came out of this non stop spree of legislation, and that's almost half a decade old now What do you think of the Digital Markets and Digital Services Acts?

fullspectrumdev 3y ago

One of the biggest reasons “the EU” can’t seem to home grow a tech industry is fragmentation - each member state has its own bizarre tax rules, and it’s extremely tedious/difficult, even today, to do cross border employment. A company based in Ireland for example, has a really hard time employing someone in Germany, without spinning up a “local branch” in Germany, and thus having to comply with German tax rules as well. Rules around contractors vary wildly and don’t simplify matters much. The “solution” is to accept the overheads of a company like Remote or similar who act as an employer of record, but that’s a bodge. No member state has any real incentive to simplify cross border employment/business rules, so it drags everyone down. It gets even worse for startups when rules around equity, etc, vary wildly country to country - some countries have extremely hostile tax rules around equity that may never be realized.