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> Freedom of speech almost never meant and never will mean to be able to speak whatever you want to whoever you want wherever you want whenever you want That is
by r00fus 3y ago
> Freedom of speech almost never meant and never will mean to be able to speak whatever you want to whoever you want wherever you want whenever you want
That is quite literally what it means.
>> That is quite literally what it means.
From a platonic ideal, true. But in reality platonic ideals do not exist. Does pure capitalism exist anywhere? No, because without some regulatory scheme it would devolve quickly into plutocracy, planned economy or a regulated capitalist economy.
- immibis 3y agoSo you acknowledge that freedom of speech is a platonic ideal, which the USA doesn't have.
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- ruszki 3y agoSo are you saying that nobody wants free speech (except anarchists as I mentioned)?
- immibis 3y agoI don't care how many people want free speech. That is completely irrelevant. You are the one defending that the USA has it.
- ruszki 3y agoIt matters because if the USA doesn’t have it because of your reasoning, then all of those people lied. And currently, your words against basically the whole relevant literature, laws, and basically almost all of humanity. Especially those which describe how people use expressions meaning a scale as an absolutist term, which happens continuously, like in your case too.
- immibis 3y agoYes, I think all those people lied. Didn't I say that? American "free speech absolutists" keep finding poor rationalizations to exclude the kinds of speech they happen to dislike from the definition of "free speech". By contrast, in Europe, those people simply don't call themselves absolutists, state openly that free speech has some exceptions, and don't have to rationalize anything.