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Then why is security clearance required? This is the same level of clearance that Snowden had. He had access to be able to leak a bunch of programs that he lite

Then why is security clearance required? This is the same level of clearance that Snowden had. He had access to be able to leak a bunch of programs that he literally was worried about being murdered for exposing. If he had access to information he might be killed by exposing, you don't think he and everyone else at that level has the ability to gain access to information someone else might be willing to kill in order to obtain? Cmon now, no such threat, that's ridiculous. People have killed people for a name, of course they will kill to get into these systems.

pvg 3y ago
no such threat, that's ridiculous There are 140 stars on the CIA memorial wall total, which includes plenty of wars and combat zones. There's no serious threat to almost all people who have a security clearance. Quds Force is not scraping LinkedIn for the names of these people.
- wutwutwat 3y ago
  Is there a list of all CIA employees publicly available? You know, "spies" who are doing covert ops, dealing arms and drugs and destabalizing places to overthrow governments, assasinating people, etc. Do we know who those people are? If not, why would there be a list/memorial for them when KIA? The CIA isn't even the topic here though. There are people with this clerance working for all parts of the federal government, NSA, DOJ, CIA, the branches of the military. You're telling me these thousands of people who have secret access, spread across all these departments, don't have the means to access any information a foreign enemy would find useful enough to kill over? I don't think we have a memorial wall for private citizens with TS access who are working for random government contracting firms who are killed in such a case. The federal government doesn't make memorial walls for random company employees who don't technically work for them directly. These aren't government employees, they are contractors, with access levels to our most sensitive information. I'm saying it's for sure an attack vector. How could it not be?
  - pvg 3y ago
    Even the people who work in the most dangerous subsector of this line of work barely die violently, is the point of the memorial wall. You've listed a whole bunch of questions but the things you've proposed - the threat, its reality, the notion it actually affects someone, etc are entirely of your own making. The onus is on you to provide any evidence of them and there just doesn't seem to be any. I'm saying it's for sure an attack vector. How could it not be? Empirically, it doesn't appear to be and hasn't been ever? Again, what makes you think otherwise?
    - wutwutwat 3y ago
      > when you have access to privileged information that others are willing to kill, in extreme cases, to obtain The key phrase in my original statement is _in extreme cases_ - I'm not saying such a thing is common or even likely, I'm saying when you have a bunch of tech contractors with TS access all over the place advertising to the world that they have such access, there's no way other places haven't used that info in an attempt to intimidate someone, bribe, or force, one of those contractors into helping them get into a system or get information out. If a contractor was able to yank and leak the Prism documents with the same access, working for the same firm as some of the people in the group I linked to, then it's a massive risk that these people are being looked into and attempts are being made to flip them somehow. Might not be by killing people, but who's to say for sure.

pvg 3y ago

no such threat, that's ridiculous There are 140 stars on the CIA memorial wall total, which includes plenty of wars and combat zones. There's no serious threat to almost all people who have a security clearance. Quds Force is not scraping LinkedIn for the names of these people.

wutwutwat 3y ago
Is there a list of all CIA employees publicly available? You know, "spies" who are doing covert ops, dealing arms and drugs and destabalizing places to overthrow governments, assasinating people, etc. Do we know who those people are? If not, why would there be a list/memorial for them when KIA? The CIA isn't even the topic here though. There are people with this clerance working for all parts of the federal government, NSA, DOJ, CIA, the branches of the military. You're telling me these thousands of people who have secret access, spread across all these departments, don't have the means to access any information a foreign enemy would find useful enough to kill over? I don't think we have a memorial wall for private citizens with TS access who are working for random government contracting firms who are killed in such a case. The federal government doesn't make memorial walls for random company employees who don't technically work for them directly. These aren't government employees, they are contractors, with access levels to our most sensitive information. I'm saying it's for sure an attack vector. How could it not be?
- pvg 3y ago
  Even the people who work in the most dangerous subsector of this line of work barely die violently, is the point of the memorial wall. You've listed a whole bunch of questions but the things you've proposed - the threat, its reality, the notion it actually affects someone, etc are entirely of your own making. The onus is on you to provide any evidence of them and there just doesn't seem to be any. I'm saying it's for sure an attack vector. How could it not be? Empirically, it doesn't appear to be and hasn't been ever? Again, what makes you think otherwise?
  - wutwutwat 3y ago
    > when you have access to privileged information that others are willing to kill, in extreme cases, to obtain The key phrase in my original statement is _in extreme cases_ - I'm not saying such a thing is common or even likely, I'm saying when you have a bunch of tech contractors with TS access all over the place advertising to the world that they have such access, there's no way other places haven't used that info in an attempt to intimidate someone, bribe, or force, one of those contractors into helping them get into a system or get information out. If a contractor was able to yank and leak the Prism documents with the same access, working for the same firm as some of the people in the group I linked to, then it's a massive risk that these people are being looked into and attempts are being made to flip them somehow. Might not be by killing people, but who's to say for sure.