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The quantum computer is corruption. They created an spin-off where some management guys have shares on the company. Then launched a procurement. Only the spin-o

by wlst14 3y ago

The quantum computer is corruption. They created an spin-off where some management guys have shares on the company. Then launched a procurement. Only the spin-off company went for the procurement and won. This was paid with European Funds and is illegal. https://contrataciondelestado.es/wps/poc?uri=deeplink%3Adetalle_licitacion&idEvl=MnKdMDvqKPqmq21uxhbaVQ%3D%3D https://contrataciondelestado.es/wps/poc?uri=deeplink%3Adeta...

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mofeing 3y ago
wtf are you talking about? I know people from both sides and can assure you that the whole process was done transparently and legally. The external board which selected the winner proposal did a blind review (they only knew the proposals, not who made those proposals). It's true that Qilimanjaro is a spin-off of BSC, but they are the only company in Spain that can fabricate quantum chips. Furthermore, the chips are fabricated by Quantware and IQM, while Qilimanjaro provides the testing, calibration and service. One of the requirements from the European Funds is that the providers must be European companies. There are not many fully european companies that fabricate digital quantum chips, I'm afraid. If you have doubts about the legality of the process, I welcome you to contact the coordinator of the project.
- wlst14 3y ago
  You might be right. Just open the document named "Informe de valoración de los criterios de adjudicación cuantificables mediante juicio de valor" in the link above. It is digitally signed by Juan José García Ripoll, an expert that should not have any conflict of interest. https://web.archive.org/web/20220521122845/http://quantic.bsc.es/collaborators/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220521122845/http://quantic.bs... (The website was removed) So it was a collaborator. And the team leader was Artur Garcia. Oh! Wait! Artur is a co-founder: https://www.qilimanjaro.tech/team/ https://www.qilimanjaro.tech/team/ What a plot twist hum! So they knew each other. And instead of doing this from a BSC salary they launched an spin-off and then sold their work to the BSC being part of BSC while he was working 50% of his time for BSC and therefore being a public employee and having an incompatibility.
  - josu 3y ago
    Thanks for sharing. I think that this comment is going to age well.
  - mofeing 3y ago
    Before answering, I want to be honest and state that Artur is my supervisor, so I might be biased. Now that I've said so... 1. Artur doesn't have an incompatibility, he asked for permission to the ministry and he works his daily 8h (sometimes more) at BSC. After that he works at Qilimanjaro. 2. Juan José García Ripoll has nothing to do with Qilimanjaro. He has his own company (Inspiration-Q). 3. Juan José was a collaborator many years ago. 4. You would be amazed to see how small is the quantum world. I've already met many of the top researchers just by moving around, because everyone knows each other. So by that logic, no one would be free of conflict. Of course they knew each other. Every one knows Juan José. Many measurements are taken to prevent favor treatment in these situations. 5. Juan José was an obvious expert to have in the external board. I dare to say that very few physicists in Spain have a CV equiparable to his (https://quinfog.hbar.es/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CV_Juan_Jose_Garcia_Ripoll.pdf https://quinfog.hbar.es/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CV_Juan_J...). 6. We removed the website because it was no longer being updated. I've seen from your comments that you have been falsely accusing without any info from the inside and that all you want is to harm all the effort done by these amazing people to make progress in science in Spain. So I will stop answering your comments. I don't know where this hate comes from, but I invite you to introspect. If anyone reading the comments gets dubious about the process, I invite them to visit the link provided above to check all the documents of the procurement and to get in contact with the project coordinator. The process was done cleanly and transparently, and as any legal public project, it can be checked and verified. Ps.: It made me laugh to check all you stalked about Artur. I think nobody has done it before. Will show it tomorrow to Artur jajaja.
    - wlst14 3y ago
      When you work for BSC you sign a non-compete agreement saying that you won't be selling all you learn from BSC to BSC: Point 5.2: prohibición de aprovechamiento en beneficio propio o de terceros. Queda prohibido que el trabajador, sin consentimiento del responsable de BSC, transmita, reproduzca, destruya o utilice información referenciada en el apartado anterior para uso distinto al normal de trabajo. Del mismo modo se prohíbe estrictamente atodos los empleados y colaboradores de BSC el uso de dicha información en beneficio propio o de terceros. Point 5.3: Cláusula de exclusividad. Queda prohibido que el trabajador realice proyectos basados en conocimientos del BSC para terceros fuera del ámbito laboral, o por encargo directo de terceras personas. Una vez desvinculado del BSC, queda prohibido que el trabajador aplique conocimientos propiedad del BSC o de colaboradores del BSC, con fines lucrativos, o al servicio de terceras empresas que los exploten económicamente. And there are more and more
personomas 3y ago
Sounds about right here in Europe. At least they have something to show for it this time, I guess? I mean, assuming they created the quantum computer with the EU funds.

by wlst14 3y ago

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mofeing 3y ago

wtf are you talking about? I know people from both sides and can assure you that the whole process was done transparently and legally. The external board which selected the winner proposal did a blind review (they only knew the proposals, not who made those proposals). It's true that Qilimanjaro is a spin-off of BSC, but they are the only company in Spain that can fabricate quantum chips. Furthermore, the chips are fabricated by Quantware and IQM, while Qilimanjaro provides the testing, calibration and service. One of the requirements from the European Funds is that the providers must be European companies. There are not many fully european companies that fabricate digital quantum chips, I'm afraid. If you have doubts about the legality of the process, I welcome you to contact the coordinator of the project.

wlst14 3y ago
You might be right. Just open the document named "Informe de valoración de los criterios de adjudicación cuantificables mediante juicio de valor" in the link above. It is digitally signed by Juan José García Ripoll, an expert that should not have any conflict of interest. https://web.archive.org/web/20220521122845/http://quantic.bsc.es/collaborators/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220521122845/http://quantic.bs... (The website was removed) So it was a collaborator. And the team leader was Artur Garcia. Oh! Wait! Artur is a co-founder: https://www.qilimanjaro.tech/team/ https://www.qilimanjaro.tech/team/ What a plot twist hum! So they knew each other. And instead of doing this from a BSC salary they launched an spin-off and then sold their work to the BSC being part of BSC while he was working 50% of his time for BSC and therefore being a public employee and having an incompatibility.
- josu 3y ago
  Thanks for sharing. I think that this comment is going to age well.
- mofeing 3y ago
  Before answering, I want to be honest and state that Artur is my supervisor, so I might be biased. Now that I've said so... 1. Artur doesn't have an incompatibility, he asked for permission to the ministry and he works his daily 8h (sometimes more) at BSC. After that he works at Qilimanjaro. 2. Juan José García Ripoll has nothing to do with Qilimanjaro. He has his own company (Inspiration-Q). 3. Juan José was a collaborator many years ago. 4. You would be amazed to see how small is the quantum world. I've already met many of the top researchers just by moving around, because everyone knows each other. So by that logic, no one would be free of conflict. Of course they knew each other. Every one knows Juan José. Many measurements are taken to prevent favor treatment in these situations. 5. Juan José was an obvious expert to have in the external board. I dare to say that very few physicists in Spain have a CV equiparable to his (https://quinfog.hbar.es/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CV_Juan_Jose_Garcia_Ripoll.pdf https://quinfog.hbar.es/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CV_Juan_J...). 6. We removed the website because it was no longer being updated. I've seen from your comments that you have been falsely accusing without any info from the inside and that all you want is to harm all the effort done by these amazing people to make progress in science in Spain. So I will stop answering your comments. I don't know where this hate comes from, but I invite you to introspect. If anyone reading the comments gets dubious about the process, I invite them to visit the link provided above to check all the documents of the procurement and to get in contact with the project coordinator. The process was done cleanly and transparently, and as any legal public project, it can be checked and verified. Ps.: It made me laugh to check all you stalked about Artur. I think nobody has done it before. Will show it tomorrow to Artur jajaja.
  - wlst14 3y ago
    When you work for BSC you sign a non-compete agreement saying that you won't be selling all you learn from BSC to BSC: Point 5.2: prohibición de aprovechamiento en beneficio propio o de terceros. Queda prohibido que el trabajador, sin consentimiento del responsable de BSC, transmita, reproduzca, destruya o utilice información referenciada en el apartado anterior para uso distinto al normal de trabajo. Del mismo modo se prohíbe estrictamente atodos los empleados y colaboradores de BSC el uso de dicha información en beneficio propio o de terceros. Point 5.3: Cláusula de exclusividad. Queda prohibido que el trabajador realice proyectos basados en conocimientos del BSC para terceros fuera del ámbito laboral, o por encargo directo de terceras personas. Una vez desvinculado del BSC, queda prohibido que el trabajador aplique conocimientos propiedad del BSC o de colaboradores del BSC, con fines lucrativos, o al servicio de terceras empresas que los exploten económicamente. And there are more and more

personomas 3y ago

Sounds about right here in Europe. At least they have something to show for it this time, I guess? I mean, assuming they created the quantum computer with the EU funds.