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In the communist Eastern Europe where I grew up the nomenklatura formed the ruling class. And the only distribution of surplus was to themselves. The rest of us

by nickpp 3y ago

In the communist Eastern Europe where I grew up the nomenklatura formed the ruling class. And the only distribution of surplus was to themselves. The rest of us was starving. Common theme to all the “proletarian revolutions” I know. All that changed dramatically with the switch to capitalist, market driven economy in the 90s leading to the amazing wealth and prosperity we are currently enjoying. Meanwhile I am still waiting to hear about any communist success story…

dontlaugh 3y ago
I grew up in the 90s in Eastern Europe, all I saw was constantly worsening material conditions. Nowadays we’re forced to leave our countries to avoid poverty. Almost everyone older tells us how much worse off we are than they were during socialism. But at least the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning. At this point it’s socialism or extinction.
- nickpp 3y ago
  > how much worse off we are than they were during socialism All you need to understand how false that is is to remember that the machine guns on the border during communism were pointing inwards, so people couldn’t leave. > constantly worsening material conditions Every single actual, measurable life quality metric in the EE has improved singnificantly over the last 30 years. > the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning Please feel free to point out those “winner” countries.
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    My parents were paying 5% of one salary on rent. People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling together several salaries. The metrics improved for the capitalists that pillaged our countries during the 90s, for sure. It’s pointless talking when you’re so ideologically blinded. Probably because you profit from the exploitation of others, so it’s in your material interest.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      > My parents were paying 5% of one salary on rent. People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling together several salaries Right. What about the people who had to wait for 10-15 years to be "assigned" an apartment? > People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling Well... If you were fine living in communal flats with shared kitchens and bathrooms you'd be fine. Just like in the good old days. > It’s pointless talking when you’re so ideologically blinded. You were marginally entertaining but I think it's time to go back to reddit. Tanks go brr, amirite comrade?
- qwytw 3y ago
  > Nowadays we’re forced to leave our countries to avoid poverty Well you're allowed to leave your country for one thing. How many more would have left the USSR et al. if they hadn't had to risk being murdered by border guards? > Almost everyone older tells us how much worse off we are than they were during socialism Which country is that? > But at least the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning. I'll bite... name a single "socialist" country that's winning.
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by nickpp 3y ago

dontlaugh 3y ago

I grew up in the 90s in Eastern Europe, all I saw was constantly worsening material conditions. Nowadays we’re forced to leave our countries to avoid poverty. Almost everyone older tells us how much worse off we are than they were during socialism. But at least the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning. At this point it’s socialism or extinction.

nickpp 3y ago
> how much worse off we are than they were during socialism All you need to understand how false that is is to remember that the machine guns on the border during communism were pointing inwards, so people couldn’t leave. > constantly worsening material conditions Every single actual, measurable life quality metric in the EE has improved singnificantly over the last 30 years. > the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning Please feel free to point out those “winner” countries.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  My parents were paying 5% of one salary on rent. People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling together several salaries. The metrics improved for the capitalists that pillaged our countries during the 90s, for sure. It’s pointless talking when you’re so ideologically blinded. Probably because you profit from the exploitation of others, so it’s in your material interest.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > My parents were paying 5% of one salary on rent. People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling together several salaries Right. What about the people who had to wait for 10-15 years to be "assigned" an apartment? > People younger than me can barely afford rent by pooling Well... If you were fine living in communal flats with shared kitchens and bathrooms you'd be fine. Just like in the good old days. > It’s pointless talking when you’re so ideologically blinded. You were marginally entertaining but I think it's time to go back to reddit. Tanks go brr, amirite comrade?
qwytw 3y ago
> Nowadays we’re forced to leave our countries to avoid poverty Well you're allowed to leave your country for one thing. How many more would have left the USSR et al. if they hadn't had to risk being murdered by border guards? > Almost everyone older tells us how much worse off we are than they were during socialism Which country is that? > But at least the remaining socialist countries are slowly winning. I'll bite... name a single "socialist" country that's winning.
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