> this is exactly attempting to apply personal morality to the "international system" I can do that. Nobody should lie, it's wrong. So, as long as every nation

> this is exactly attempting to apply personal morality to the "international system" I can do that. Nobody should lie, it's wrong. So, as long as every nation stops lying, they can stop spying too. Easy Peasy. > Shouldn't we care whether the things that the justice system is punishing people for are things that are actually good or bad? Absolutely. Which is why usually friendly-nation spies don't seem to get in trouble. Take a look at this list, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_imprisoned_spies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_imprisoned_spies I think lying/misrepresenting is bad and very harmful, however I also think it is human nature, and spying helps to alleviate that information asymmetry.