But then you're still having to fully understand the ORM so you're not saving yourself any work. I'm always amazed at how much I can do in a single SQL query a

But then you're still having to fully understand the ORM so you're not saving yourself any work. I'm always amazed at how much I can do in a single SQL query and how much extra code is required to accomplish the same when using an ORM. But then I once wrote a SQL compiler and runtime system so I'm quite adept at SQL.